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Mon Apr 25 17:22:07 PDT 2016

I got a 2010 Honda Civic Hybrid "butt buggy" for commuting. It lets me keep a 20 year old Dodge 4x4 5.9l that will pass anything but a gas station.  I bought it a year old, just before a gas price spike, for what I could have bought a new base model Civic.  I'm 6' 6", so good MPG options are limited, but that car is surprisingly roomy.  I considered the Chevy Volt, but they were expensive at the time, I couldn't even find one, but someone said they are the same body as the Cruze, I tried one on, it wasn't a fit for my knees.  

Having a spare vehicle removes me from being a mechanic's hostage. If one needs work, I can diagnose and decide if it's economical for me to fix it or hire it done.   

Len Rugen

rugenl at yahoo.com

    On Monday, April 25, 2016 6:20 PM, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:

 I will jump in here. There are few  points that help with the discussion

The first point is to keep this list somewhere near antique stuff:  If anyone is serious about the environmental and social damage of automobiles, you should keep all the old ones on the road. Much of the damage is done manufacturing vehicles - especially electric vehicles - and  not operational.

While traveling you are recharging on an electrical grid that is powered by the fuel that makes the most sense for that area. For example you might be charging with electricity made with natural gas in Pennsylvania but nuclear in Arizona or oil in North Dakota .  This assumes market forces are minimizing the environmental costs of transporting fuel.

Pollution for electric vehicles is centralized in the smokestacks. Ostensibly that should mean there is a better job of cleaning up. I do understand that's a debatable. Considering the electrical utilities are not held to task as tightly as they should be in this regard.

Range is a mute point once you feel the acceleration of the Tesla :-) - at least that's what an acquaintance told me after he  drove one.

Some points to ponder…

Spencer Yost

> On Apr 25, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Henry Miller <hank at millerfarm.com> wrote:
> 
> You miss the point, most people do not drive long distances often. I work with people with various electric cars, all have other cars, they wouldn't use their commuting car for family trips anyway. Thus the range argument is moot. 
> 
> As for fuel, the great advantage of electric is it can be anything. When coal is cheap use that, if wind or solar are cheap (or you want to pay extra to be green), it still works. If the mythical fusion reactor still works you are still good. 
> 
> I've come close to running out of fuel cause I couldn't find a diesel pump in the city I was in. 
> 
> Most quotes or price say the cost of electric is equivalent to gas at $1/gallon. I bought my car because the fuel savings over my truck was greater than the payment. 
> 
> Again if you only make long distance trips the electric car is not for you. However for most families that buy new cars having an electric in the mix makes sense. It won't work for everything, but it will be better for some things and so it balances out. (I specified new because used electric cars are not well available in the used market yet, and mechanics don't know how to evaluate them yet) 
> 
> 
> 
>> On April 25, 2016 1:52:29 PM CDT, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> So you recharge them what... every 80 miles?
>> How long does it take?  Certainly a lot longer than
>> it takes me to pump 22 gallons of gasoline in my
>> 4 wd pickup truck that allows me to drive 400 plus miles
>> before needing to be refilled?  What kind of fuel do they
>> use to make the electricity for the charging station?  Coal,
>> bunker C oil, natural gas, nuclear power?  What is your time
>> worth while you are waiting .... what 4 hours for every hour you drive
>> to recharge?
>> 
>> I have no problem with electrical motors driving vehicles, Diesel over 
>> electric
>> works very well for locomotives and heavy construction equipment.  Not
>> so
>> much for small cars used for anything other than a short daily commute.
>> 
>> Stephen,  just so you don't miss it this time, these are rhetorical 
>> questions
>> intended to make a point.  They don't require your reply.
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Stephen Offiler
>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:20 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tesla Factory (OT)
>> 
>> Tesla has two networks of charging stations:
>> 
>> 1)  "Destination" charging stations, at hotels, restaurants, malls,
>> etc.
>> Map:
>> https://www.teslamotors.com/destination-charging
>> 
>> 
>> 2)  "Supercharger" stations.  Map:
>> https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dick Day <dickday0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe most of the charging stations are located near other
>> businesses.
>>> I think he found many to be either near or at a mall.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 9:59 AM, charlie hill
>> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> What does he do with his time while waiting at the charging station
>> for
>>> it
>>>> to recharge?
>>>> 
>>>> Charlie
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DDSS, Inc.
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 1:32 PM
>>>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tesla Factory (OT)
>>>> 
>>>> My son in Chicago has a P85.  That is an incredible car.  There is
>> a
>>>> button, I believe it's called the insane/insanity button (cannot
>>> remember).
>>>> I work for the county.  On one of my son's trips here to Nebraska,
>> he
>>>> brought it to the jail and took some of the deputies for a 'ride'.
>> One
>>>> deputy said that when my son hit the button and then floored it, he
>> left
>>> a
>>>> new "tuck" in the naugahyde seat.
>>>> 
>>>> There are enough charging stations between here and Chicago that he
>> had
>>> no
>>>> problems.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Spencer
>> Yost
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 11:46 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tesla Factory (OT)
>>>> 
>>>> Yea.  Very cool.  Everyone's read a lot about their factory and
>> methods
>>>> but
>>>> the video make its real.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Dave,
>>>> 
>>>> Spencer Yost
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Bo Hinch <bohinch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> as usual , I enjoyed the short film .
>>>>> Thanks Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Dave <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> See: http://biggeekdad.com/2013/09/tesla-motors-factory/
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