[AT] Charlie Hill,

tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net
Tue Oct 6 08:08:45 PDT 2015


It is a crap shoot if it will ever fall.
Two examples
Five doors down from me is a pine pine tree that started leaning during Hurricane Carla in 1962
We have had many storms and at least three Hurricanes since then.  It is leaning about 30 or 35 deg's towards the street.  If It falls it will block the street and crush any cars parked on the road.  The home owner has it checked yearly by a tree specialists. 

A next door neighbor had a pine tree that had s slight lean.  Less than 5 degrees.  About a month ago it just fell over the road.  No warning.  It was near a side walk.  As far as anyone knows the roots had not been disturbed for 30 years. No high winds it just fell and it appeared to be a healthy tree.  It stood through all the hurricanes no problem.

      From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
 To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 9:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [AT] Charlie Hill,
   
Thanks Joe,  I wouldn't even be worrying about it at this point if it wasn't
situated such as it is to the house.  I don't think it's going to fall but 
if it
does I'm in trouble.  You are right, all I need is someone to get it on the
ground for me and someone with insurance to cover it if it falls through
the house.  I can handle the rest.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe Hazewinkel
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 9:02 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Charlie Hill,

Going to try jumping in here as this is something I know a lot about, but my 
posts usually don't come through.  I'm sure you can find someone to climb it 
and piece it out from the top down.  One of my crews would have it done in a 
couple of hours for around $200, especially if they don't have to clean it 
up.  Add in a chipper and it will be about $500 more, but well worth the 
expense.  From the sounds of it you have quite a few more years before you 
will have to worry about it.

Enjoy, Joe

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On Oct 5, 2015, at 4:15 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Tom,  I have 20 plus years experience in heavy construction.
I know people that own cranes.  I know people who operate
cranes and I know how to estimate the size crane needed to do a job.
In my case It would have to set up on one side of my house where there
is a power line that would be in the way and reach about 70 feet out
across the roof of the house and hook to the tree about  60 feet
up.  The crane would have to have about 125 feet of boom and would
have to be capable of lifting  about 18,000 lbs or more boomed out that far.
Believe me that takes a lot of crane,  I haven't looked it up in the charts
yet
but it would be a big one.  At least 50 ton and I'm not sure that's enough.
That much crane can't get down my driveway without some major tree trimming
and dropping the
power line feed to my house.  It wouldn't be cheap!
Believe me I know what I'm talking about.  I understand the problem.
I just posted it here for conversation purposes.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: tmehrkam at sbcglobal.net
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:53 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Charlie Hill,

After IKE one of the neighbors ended up with a pine tree that leaned over
the house but caught on a tree in the back yard. This kept it mostly off the
house. The insurance company brought in a large crane.  They hooked the
cable on the top of the big fallen tree.  Stood it up.  Cut it off and laid
it down on front of the house.
The crane used was one with a long telescoping boom.  Same type used to
place cooling units on top of multi story buildings.  It cold reach maybe
six stories high.
There was an episode on This Old House where they used a crane  to remove
some trees in the front yard.  Those trees could have been safety blocked.
These areas were near big cities where there are a number of these cranes
available.
Maybe it is not as expensive as thought.  Any way if you get a company who
is bonded and does these things for a living they will figure out the least
expensive way to do it safely.

    From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Charlie Hill,

Yeah you are right Mike,  that is probably the easiest way to handle it.
The advantage you had was the man was on your property already with the
excavator.  Now days in this state at least it is expensive to move
excavators
because of over width and over weight permits.  It would cost more to get
one
here than to get the work done after he arrives.  If I get lucky I'll catch
one in
the neighborhood sometime.  I have friends that own excavators but it's too
much of a favor to ask them to move them without fair compensation.
The tree isn't going to fall right away unless we get a really bad wind
storm.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 10:54 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Charlie Hill,

Charlie, if you're handy with a chainsaw, hire an excavator. I had a guy
digging a pond for me with a good size excavator. I had a 100 year old
dead Ash tree that was too dangerous to cut. As he was tracking back to
where the pond was I asked him if he thought his machine could take that
down for me. He just grinned and said, "where do you want it?" He raised
his bucket up and pulled the top off away from any of our buildings,
they just shoved the whole thing over, done in about 5 minutes or less.
The only thing is you will be left with a big hole where the root ball
was. But heck, $100 worth of top soil and that's no longer a problem. A
lot cheaper that $2K.

Mike M


> On 10/4/2015 8:45 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> I have a huge pine tree in front of my house.  It's very healthy but for
> some
> reason it has been progressively leaning toward the house for several
> years
> now.  The way it is situated it can not be safely cut and thrown.  It will
> have
> to come down in blocks from the top down.  I figure it will cost a couple
> of
> grand minimum to get it down.  It's starting to worry me. If it gives
> loose
> and falls all at once it will cut the house in half.    I think there is
> just a
> slim chance that it can be felled in one piece but I'll need something
> like
> a
> winch truck or a large excavator to makes sure if falls the right way.
> Time will tell.  If it fell right now, given where I am sitting in the
> house,
> you wouldn't likely hear from me any time soon if at all.  LOL.
> I don't think it will go all at once unless we get a very bad hurricane.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Bruce
> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 3:56 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Charlie Hill,
>
> Maybe just a bit less on the other side of the river Spencer but much
> the same. One thing happening here is with the steady wind and the
> saturated ground from the last couple weeks events some trees are
> falling. Nothing on me or mine other than a few medium to small limbs.
> However my neighbor down on the creek says he has quite a few on the
> ground.
>
> David
> NW NC
>
>> On 10/4/2015 8:54 AM, ATIS wrote:
>> We only got 2.4" in this most recent event, but we have had rain a bunch
>> of consecutive  days, and that has totaled nearly 6" and contributed to
>> the flooding. I overheard the local weather guy say that yesterday broke
>> a
>> record of 10 consecutive days  of rain in Greensboro nc - about 30 miles
>> east of here.  We had about 6/100 this morning so that makes 11 days.
>>
>> 48 degrees yesterday morning and high winds so it was cold rain as well.
>>
>> www.rdfarms.com/weather
>>
>> Spencer Yost
>
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