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Tony Flint - Flint Services
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4. Re: ih bolts (Matthew Gray)
5. Re: ih bolts (Jim Becker)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:41:00 -0400
From: farmallgray at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
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As I recall, when we a dealer during the time period in question, IH was
very competitive on hardware (to dealers) compared to local hardware stores
and wagon peddlers who supplied hardware. We stocked all the bolt bins in
the shop and parts dept from IH. The only time we bought from other sources
was in an emergency or when we only needed a couple of some oddball piece.
Todd Markle
Spring Mills, Pa.
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From: Jim Becker <mr.jebecker at gmail.com>
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Sent: Wed, May 27, 2015 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
My understanding is that West Pullman was shut down March 1983. That would
have been nearly 2 years before the sale to Tenneco. I don't know if bolt
manufacturing was going until the shutdown, but it seems likely. I am not
aware of IH supplying bolts to other manufacturers but there was likely some
of of that going on. IH probably wasn't a price competitive option. :)
Jim
Becker
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From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May
27, 2015 8:08 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih
bolts
Jim, was the WP plant still making bolts until the sale to Tenneco?
Also,
did IH ever sell WP bolts to anyone else? I have never seen them on
anything
that wasn't IH related. I read on another forum that they did but I
have my
doubts.
I recently used some really long 1/4" NOS IH bolts on my corn
planter. Hated
to use them seeing they were NOS but since it is an IH planter I
figured why
not!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker
Sent:
Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:22 PM
To: farmall
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
The
dot heads were followed by the IH which were followed by the WP. IH
both made
and bought bearings. I suppose lead time and quantities were
factored into the
decisions. Nearly all bearings are some sort of standard
size, thus would have
been available pretty quickly from outside. Tooling
up for a bearing is
relatively expensive, not worth it unless you need a
bunch of them.
Jim
Becker
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From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May
27, 2015 9:11 AM
To: farmall
Subject: [Farmall] ih bolts
I think we discussed
this a while back but I can?t find it:
Every true IH collector knows they made
their own bolts at the West Pullman
plant. What came first, IH or WP markings on
the heads? What years did IH
put these marks on? The bolts with the raised
circle (I?m assuming from a
parting operation), did these precede the other
2?
Also, did IH out source some of their bearings? I can see it bing a
lot
easier (cost effective) to make your own bolts. Bearings are a
different
story.
John
Hall
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Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:43:29 -0400
From: <jtchall at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
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I wonder how many equipment manufacturers actually made their own hardware?
To be honest they should have been able to make the most widely used sizes
as cheap as anyone else. I'm pretty certain I've seen bolts on Deere
equipment with JD on them, don't know if they made them or if they just
specified their logo had to be on the bolt.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:38 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
My understanding is that West Pullman was shut down March 1983. That would
have been nearly 2 years before the sale to Tenneco. I don't know if bolt
manufacturing was going until the shutdown, but it seems likely. I am not
aware of IH supplying bolts to other manufacturers but there was likely some
of of that going on. IH probably wasn't a price competitive option. :)
Jim Becker
-----Original Message-----
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:08 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
Jim, was the WP plant still making bolts until the sale to Tenneco? Also,
did IH ever sell WP bolts to anyone else? I have never seen them on anything
that wasn't IH related. I read on another forum that they did but I have my
doubts.
I recently used some really long 1/4" NOS IH bolts on my corn planter. Hated
to use them seeing they were NOS but since it is an IH planter I figured why
not!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:22 PM
To: farmall
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
The dot heads were followed by the IH which were followed by the WP. IH
both made and bought bearings. I suppose lead time and quantities were
factored into the decisions. Nearly all bearings are some sort of standard
size, thus would have been available pretty quickly from outside. Tooling
up for a bearing is relatively expensive, not worth it unless you need a
bunch of them.
Jim Becker
-----Original Message-----
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:11 AM
To: farmall
Subject: [Farmall] ih bolts
I think we discussed this a while back but I can?t find it:
Every true IH collector knows they made their own bolts at the West Pullman
plant. What came first, IH or WP markings on the heads? What years did IH
put these marks on? The bolts with the raised circle (I?m assuming from a
parting operation), did these precede the other 2?
Also, did IH out source some of their bearings? I can see it bing a lot
easier (cost effective) to make your own bolts. Bearings are a different
story.
John Hall
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Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 22:44:34 -0400
From: farmallgray at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
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Funny story related to my last post. I was looking at my Dad's one MTD built
Cub Cadet a while back. The one bolt holding the steering arm to the front
spindle was an IH stamped bolt. This tractor was one that we sold new and
serviced. apparently that bolt needed replaced at one point and we must have
still had some IH stamped bolts in the bin.
Todd Markle
Spring Mills, Pa.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker <mr.jebecker at gmail.com>
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list <farmall at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wed, May 27, 2015 11:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
My understanding is that West Pullman was shut down March 1983. That would
have been nearly 2 years before the sale to Tenneco. I don't know if bolt
manufacturing was going until the shutdown, but it seems likely. I am not
aware of IH supplying bolts to other manufacturers but there was likely some
of of that going on. IH probably wasn't a price competitive option. :)
Jim
Becker
-----Original Message-----
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May
27, 2015 8:08 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih
bolts
Jim, was the WP plant still making bolts until the sale to Tenneco?
Also,
did IH ever sell WP bolts to anyone else? I have never seen them on
anything
that wasn't IH related. I read on another forum that they did but I
have my
doubts.
I recently used some really long 1/4" NOS IH bolts on my corn
planter. Hated
to use them seeing they were NOS but since it is an IH planter I
figured why
not!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker
Sent:
Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:22 PM
To: farmall
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
The
dot heads were followed by the IH which were followed by the WP. IH
both made
and bought bearings. I suppose lead time and quantities were
factored into the
decisions. Nearly all bearings are some sort of standard
size, thus would have
been available pretty quickly from outside. Tooling
up for a bearing is
relatively expensive, not worth it unless you need a
bunch of them.
Jim
Becker
-----Original Message-----
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May
27, 2015 9:11 AM
To: farmall
Subject: [Farmall] ih bolts
I think we discussed
this a while back but I can?t find it:
Every true IH collector knows they made
their own bolts at the West Pullman
plant. What came first, IH or WP markings on
the heads? What years did IH
put these marks on? The bolts with the raised
circle (I?m assuming from a
parting operation), did these precede the other
2?
Also, did IH out source some of their bearings? I can see it bing a
lot
easier (cost effective) to make your own bolts. Bearings are a
different
story.
John
Hall
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Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 18:48:40 +1200
From: "Matthew Gray" <pudding at puddingsworld.com>
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
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http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/made-in-china-stainless-hex-bolts_6005
8966331.html
this company sells bolts (well stainless) out of china with the JD brand
its not john deere thou ;)
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From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:43 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
I wonder how many equipment manufacturers actually made their own hardware?
To be honest they should have been able to make the most widely used sizes
as cheap as anyone else. I'm pretty certain I've seen bolts on Deere
equipment with JD on them, don't know if they made them or if they just
specified their logo had to be on the bolt.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:38 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
My understanding is that West Pullman was shut down March 1983. That would
have been nearly 2 years before the sale to Tenneco. I don't know if bolt
manufacturing was going until the shutdown, but it seems likely. I am not
aware of IH supplying bolts to other manufacturers but there was likely some
of of that going on. IH probably wasn't a price competitive option. :)
Jim Becker
-----Original Message-----
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:08 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
Jim, was the WP plant still making bolts until the sale to Tenneco? Also,
did IH ever sell WP bolts to anyone else? I have never seen them on anything
that wasn't IH related. I read on another forum that they did but I have my
doubts.
I recently used some really long 1/4" NOS IH bolts on my corn planter. Hated
to use them seeing they were NOS but since it is an IH planter I figured why
not!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:22 PM
To: farmall
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
The dot heads were followed by the IH which were followed by the WP. IH
both made and bought bearings. I suppose lead time and quantities were
factored into the decisions. Nearly all bearings are some sort of standard
size, thus would have been available pretty quickly from outside. Tooling
up for a bearing is relatively expensive, not worth it unless you need a
bunch of them.
Jim Becker
-----Original Message-----
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:11 AM
To: farmall
Subject: [Farmall] ih bolts
I think we discussed this a while back but I can?t find it:
Every true IH collector knows they made their own bolts at the West Pullman
plant. What came first, IH or WP markings on the heads? What years did IH
put these marks on? The bolts with the raised circle (I?m assuming from a
parting operation), did these precede the other 2?
Also, did IH out source some of their bearings? I can see it bing a lot
easier (cost effective) to make your own bolts. Bearings are a different
story.
John Hall
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Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 10:05:02 -0500
From: "Jim Becker" <mr.jebecker at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
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I think bolt markings are taken pretty seriously and doubt that a company
would spec their logo on bolts from another supplier. Bolts with the "JD"
marking were probably actually made by Deere. Who knows what alibaba puts
on theirs. They are a huge Chinese company and do more or less whatever
they want. Here is a DOD list of bolt manufacturer markings. Beware that
it is a 252 page PDF.
http://www.efcog.org/wg/ism_qa_scqtt/docs/MIL-HDBK-57F%20Trade%20Marks%20Lis
t.pdf
I have heard that when IH and Deere were both manufacturing in the quad
cities, they would get bolts from each other when needed. Reportedly there
are IH machines that came with Deere marked bolts and Deere machines that
came with IH marked bolts. I have never seen it first hand.
Jim Becker
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Gray
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:48 AM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/made-in-china-stainless-hex-bolts_6005
8966331.html
this company sells bolts (well stainless) out of china with the JD brand
its not john deere thou ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:43 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
I wonder how many equipment manufacturers actually made their own hardware?
To be honest they should have been able to make the most widely used sizes
as cheap as anyone else. I'm pretty certain I've seen bolts on Deere
equipment with JD on them, don't know if they made them or if they just
specified their logo had to be on the bolt.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:38 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
My understanding is that West Pullman was shut down March 1983. That would
have been nearly 2 years before the sale to Tenneco. I don't know if bolt
manufacturing was going until the shutdown, but it seems likely. I am not
aware of IH supplying bolts to other manufacturers but there was likely some
of of that going on. IH probably wasn't a price competitive option. :)
Jim Becker
-----Original Message-----
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:08 PM
To: Farmall/IHC mailing list
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
Jim, was the WP plant still making bolts until the sale to Tenneco? Also,
did IH ever sell WP bolts to anyone else? I have never seen them on anything
that wasn't IH related. I read on another forum that they did but I have my
doubts.
I recently used some really long 1/4" NOS IH bolts on my corn planter. Hated
to use them seeing they were NOS but since it is an IH planter I figured why
not!
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Becker
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:22 PM
To: farmall
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts
The dot heads were followed by the IH which were followed by the WP. IH
both made and bought bearings. I suppose lead time and quantities were
factored into the decisions. Nearly all bearings are some sort of standard
size, thus would have been available pretty quickly from outside. Tooling
up for a bearing is relatively expensive, not worth it unless you need a
bunch of them.
Jim Becker
-----Original Message-----
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:11 AM
To: farmall
Subject: [Farmall] ih bolts
I think we discussed this a while back but I can?t find it:
Every true IH collector knows they made their own bolts at the West Pullman
plant. What came first, IH or WP markings on the heads? What years did IH
put these marks on? The bolts with the raised circle (I?m assuming from a
parting operation), did these precede the other 2?
Also, did IH out source some of their bearings? I can see it bing a lot
easier (cost effective) to make your own bolts. Bearings are a different
story.
John Hall
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