[Farmall] ih bolts

[Jim Becker]

I think bolt markings are taken pretty seriously and doubt that a company 
would spec their logo on bolts from another supplier.  Bolts with the "JD" 
marking were probably actually made by Deere.  Who knows what alibaba puts 
on theirs.  They are a huge Chinese company and do more or less whatever 
they want.  Here is a DOD list of bolt manufacturer markings.  Beware that 
it is a 252 page PDF.
http://www.efcog.org/wg/ism_qa_scqtt/docs/MIL-HDBK-57F%20Trade%20Marks%20List.pdf

I have heard that when IH and Deere were both manufacturing in the quad 
cities,  they would get bolts from each other when needed.  Reportedly there 
are IH machines that came with Deere marked bolts and Deere machines that 
came with IH marked bolts.  I have never seen it first hand.

Jim Becker

-----Original Message----- 
From: Matthew Gray
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 1:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts


http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/made-in-china-stainless-hex-bolts_60058966331.html

this company sells bolts (well stainless) out of china with the JD brand

its not john deere thou ;)

-----Original Message----- 
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts

I wonder how many equipment manufacturers actually made their own hardware?
To be honest they should have been able to make the most widely used sizes
as cheap as anyone else. I'm pretty certain I've seen bolts on Deere
equipment with JD on them, don't know if they made them or if they just
specified their logo had to be on the bolt.

John


-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Becker
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts

My understanding is that West Pullman was shut down March 1983.  That would
have been nearly 2 years before the sale to Tenneco.  I don't know if bolt
manufacturing was going until the shutdown, but it seems likely.  I am not
aware of IH supplying bolts to other manufacturers but there was likely some
of of that going on.  IH probably wasn't a price competitive option. :)

Jim Becker

-----Original Message----- 
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 8:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts

Jim, was the WP plant still making bolts until the sale to Tenneco? Also,
did IH ever sell WP bolts to anyone else? I have never seen them on anything
that wasn't IH related. I read on another forum that they did but I have my
doubts.

I recently used some really long 1/4" NOS IH bolts on my corn planter. Hated
to use them seeing they were NOS but since it is an IH planter I figured why
not!

John

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Becker
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:22 PM
To: farmall
Subject: Re: [Farmall] ih bolts

The dot heads were followed by the IH which were followed by the WP.  IH
both made and bought bearings.  I suppose lead time and quantities were
factored into the decisions.  Nearly all bearings are some sort of standard
size, thus would have been available pretty quickly from outside.  Tooling
up for a bearing is relatively expensive, not worth it unless you need a
bunch of them.

Jim Becker

-----Original Message----- 
From: jtchall at nc.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:11 AM
To: farmall
Subject: [Farmall] ih bolts

I think we discussed this a while back but I can’t find it:
Every true IH collector knows they made their own bolts at the West Pullman
plant. What came first, IH or WP markings on the heads? What years did IH
put these marks on? The bolts with the raised circle (I’m assuming from a
parting operation), did these precede the other 2?

Also, did IH out source some of their bearings? I can see it bing a lot
easier (cost effective) to make your own bolts. Bearings are a different
story.

John Hall

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