[AT] Older John Deere tractor

[Dave Rotigel]

WOW--$100,00 for just "several acres" of land! Please let me know specifics on that, Dean. I want to forward the information to my congressman ane tell him that I DO NOT support this kind of thing. I agree with you and have argued against ALL farm subsities for years and am always looking for this kind of example! THANKS!
	Dave

On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:56 AM, Dean VP wrote:

> Farmer,
> 
> We could go off on a tangent about federal subsidies to farmers. I'm now a city guy and I'll admit I
> know very little about the economics of the current farming environment. The scale has become so big I
> don't even fathom understanding the current P&L on the big corporate farms But with my limited
> knowledge I just don't understand why we are subsidizing corporate farmers at all.  I'm aware of an
> Iowa farmer who is now retired who over the years he was actively farming purchased several acres of
> land that really wasn't productive due to its location and soil conditions.  This was in addition to
> all of the land he actively farmed. Today, in retirement, he gets over $100,000 a year in payments
> from the federal government for NOT farming that very land that wasn't farmable to begin with.  There
> is something very wrong with this picture.  This is not a rumor, I HAVE SEARCHED ON THE Internet and
> found records of these very payments to this specific person from the Federal Government.   And then
> we want to discuss welfare fraud?  I just flat don't get it.  I do know that John Deere is laying off
> workers because the farmers have cut back on machinery purchases due to lower prices on commodities.
> I guess with lower income they don't need to buy as much new stuff to depreciate to avoid taxes.
> And then WE get taxed on Social Security and our other retirement income without any tax shelters.
> The whole TAX system is FUBAR!
> 
> Dean VP
> Apache Junction, AZ
> 
> "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent
> virtue is the equal sharing of misery."  . Sir Winston Churchill
> 
> 
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> Indiana Robinson
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> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:05 AM, Greg Hass <ghass at m3isp.com> wrote:
> 
>> The list comes through again with the info I needed. I would like to
>> thank all who replied. At the coffee shop this morning I happened to
>> mention the subject and a guy I have known for years said they had one
>> when he was a kid. Could have blown me over with a feather. He said they
>> had a loader on it and used it to spray with. Said they had a 3 pt.
>> sprayer and it covered a whole 8 rows. I took it he was quite young and
>> did not actually drive it. I would love to have one and have put it on
>> my dream list, as that's all it'll ever be.  After one of the replies I
>> did look up some for sale and they ranged from $6500 for a beat up one
>> to over $12000 for a decent one. To many $ for me. As for the noise
>> factor I go back to the wisdom of this list on Detroit Diesels: 1) You
>> either love them or you hate them and 2) The most efficient means know
>> to man of turning Diesel fuel into noise.
>>        As for tractor pulling; I belong to the crowd who quit going
>> many years ago when it changed into a professional sport. When it first
>> started at our county fair, most of the tractors had been in the fields
>> only a few hours earlier. People hung a few weights on them and away
>> they would go. In fact a guy from south of town won 3 years in a row
>> with his AC XT- 190. Soon  after all of these modified tractors showed
>> up and the fun days were over where now it is a rich mans sport. A
>> family a couple of miles from me has over one hundred thousand in their
>> pulling tractor. Maybe the crowds like this type of pulling, but I grew
>> up on the farm and have a different view off what pulling is. My view
>> may be old fashioned , but I think I'll stick  with it.
>>              Greg Hass
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> I don't mind guys putting a fortune in something like that except many
> times they are the same guys that sit around whining that they can't
> possibly survive without government subsidy.
> A number of years ago there was a high profile farm foreclosure about 20
> miles east of here that made the TV news pretty big. I forget just why it
> was so newsy right now. Seems like there was a bit of a standoff of some
> sort??? What I do remember is that as they interviewed him and showed shots
> from around his farm his family owned (or owed on) stuff like 3 new
> snowmobiles and at least 2 quads. About everything they showed was new
> stuff including new trucks and I believe a new Caddy.
> I always felt that I had to justify about everything I ever bought to
> myself. Even if I needed something kind of bad if I didn't have the money
> up front I didn't buy anything. I just did what ever I had to to keep the
> old stuff going.
> As I think back I think FHA had called in his loans because he had not been
> paying them for some time and the whole mess just caved in...
> 
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> Francis Robinson
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> Central Indiana USA
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