[AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision

Mon Jun 29 03:46:49 PDT 2015

Cecil,  yes I'm sure it depends a lot on soil types.
Around here most of the land is loamy sand or
highly organic soil that doesn't have the hard pan
compaction problems you probably have.
Even the guys with heavy clay land here have stopped
plowing.  I can't remember when I saw a set of bottom
plows in a field other than maybe a small farmer still
doing things the old way.  The bottom plows have been replaced
by chisels and rippers and in recent years by some new
tillage contraptions that are foreign to me.   They look like a
combination of a pea weeder and an old reel type lawn mower, both
on steroids with some other stuff thrown in.    Really, I think the
big disc harrows most of the guys are pulling now cut deeper than
we used to cut with bottom plows.

I noticed one farm near here that I pass often.  This year the guy no-tilled
3 out of the 4 fields and the 4th one he disced twice and ran one of those
contraptions over.  That field looked as nice, flat and stubble free as
we used to make our tobacco fields.  I figured he must be going to plant a
different crop in that field but when the seed came up he had cotton in all
4 fields.  Then I got to thinking maybe he has them in a rotation where he
does deep tillage on each field every few years.  If I see him any time soon
I'll try to think to ask him or I'll wait 'til next year and see what he 
does.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 11:15 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision

I spent a lot of money on equipment to go to no till 5 years ago.  I
never had any winter wheat pasture with no-till.  The yield when baled
for hay was terrible.   The fertilizer would not go down through the
residue due to the dry weather.   My neighbor used conventional tillage
on the field next to mine and had both pasture and hay.  I went back to
conventional last fall and at least got 10 days of pasture this dry
winter. Also got 5 bales of hay to the acre when cut and baled about 1
month late due to the weather....

Cecil in OKla

On 6/28/2015 7:02 PM, Mike wrote:
> I am sure there is more than meets the eye in choosing conventional
> tillage vs no till, but here in central Michigan I've noticed the no
> till fields looks crappy, and are full of weeds. Could just be bad
> practices, but it's what I've noticed.
>
> Mike M
>
>
> On 6/28/2015 3:41 PM, Herb Metz wrote:
>> Charlie,
>> With no-till becoming so prominent I doubt if many implement mfgers are 
>> very
>> active in plow design research. Knerveland in Norway is a significant 
>> player
>> in many farm plowing contests; however my impression is the prime concern
>> there is appearance of the plowed field.  What factors do the judges use 
>> in
>> grading contestants? Is fuel economy a consideration?  Now that you 
>> mention
>> this, I also would like to know.  Herb(GA)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill
>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 1:38 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision
>>
>> Can anyone explain the differences in the plows and what makes one
>> pull better than the other?  Unless their was a patent on the geometry
>> of the frame or the curve of the plow share it seems to me like everyone
>> in the business would have built one according to the best model.
>> I know that Allis plows work particularly good behind Allis tractors but
>> that
>> is because their mounted plows were designed to work with the "traction
>> booster" system and that had more to do with how the traction booster 
>> works
>> and the geometry of the frame than it did with how the plow turned the 
>> soil.
>> I'd sure like to know more about the designs.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:03 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision
>>
>> The old tractor mechanic, who taught me the trade over 50 years ago, had
>> worked in a Moline dealership for many years in OKC.   He would tell
>> about the only plows that could pull the red clay in OK, were Moline &
>> Oliver.  He also would talk about which brand bought Moline & Oliver
>> plows and painted them their colors.  Here in OK, if we plow 8 to 10
>> inches deep, it is deep.  We usually only plow to roll up the terraces
>> when they get worn down.   I am in the part of the country where the
>> Graham Hoeme plow was invented.
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/26/2015 11:01 PM, Greg Hass wrote:
>>> In our area of Michigan, a lot of people don't moldboard  plow any more
>>> but those that do, and going back 50 years, usually plow at 10 to 12
>>> inches. I still plow, IH 3 bottom roll-over plow, and I stay in that
>>> range. I  think I would have trouble trying to plow at your depth. In
>>> our area, the most popular plow ever was the IH 720.  In fact, 95% of
>>> green tractors pulled red plows. A local used machinery dealer used to
>>> say there are two plows in this country; the IH 720 and then all the 
>>> rest.
>>>         Greg Hass
>>>
>>>
>>>
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