[AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision
charlie hill
charliehill at embarqmail.com
Sun Jun 28 18:32:04 PDT 2015
Dean all of my plowing was done when I was a pre-teen and young teenager.
Daddy had
never plowed with anything but mules when he went back to farming. He
bought a new
Allis D-10 with the snap coupler and traction booster and a new set of 2
14" bottom plows.
I don't know if he set the plow up or if someone helped him but right out of
the box it worked
well. The pressure gauge needle on the traction booster would quiver and
bounce as it adjusted
to the draw bar load and the tractor governor would respond along with it in
the tough spots.
I had a little, brown, mongrel dog that would trot behind me in the furrow
all day long only occasionally
chasing off after a scampering field mouse or to briefly lay down and catch
his breath. Then he'd come
running back up and take his place behind me in the furrow again. The joy
of being a young boy on a
new tractor and having my loyal dog with me plus the pride in knowing I was
contributing to the family
welfare and reducing the burden on my dad sure made those long days on that
little tractor easier.
Some years we tended close to 100 acres on that little Allis. That took a
lot of seat time!
I'm not sure how I would do trying to plow now, particularly with the well
worn equipment I have now.
Maybe one day I'll get a chance to find out again.
Charlie
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From: Dean VP
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 6:49 PM
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Charlie,
I suspect you might be right. I do know that if a plow isn't set right it
pulls harder and relative
to three point plows they are designed for the manufacturers unique three
point hitch which may have
slightly different characteristics than others. I've been to a few club
plowing matches and it is
sometime hilarious how some participants have a terrible time getting their
plows set properly and all
kinds of weird things happen such as front ends wanting to turn away from
the furrow, plows not
wanting to sink in, etc. I left the farm in the late 50's and didn't plow
again until in the late
90's. And then my first outing was with a three point plow which I had
never used in the 50's. And
to top it off, I had just installed the guts of the internal load an depth
control on the tractor I
was using which I wasn't 100% sure was even going to work since the tractor
had never had those
controls before or ever had a three point hitch on it. I knew I was pushing
the envelope so I had
read the manuals in depth prior to hitting the field so I know what I was
supposed to do but had never
done it before It took me about three rounds in the field to get everything
set close to where it was
supposed to be and then I started feeling the top link feedback controlling
the depth and load. Man I
was a happy camper. I had put many hours of getting all that installed in
the tractor, which was a
complete PITA, and it worked. Yes! And yes after 40 years it really felt
good turning over that soil
again. And hearing the tractor doing some real work. Lots of wonderful 40
year old farm memories
came back. That is what this hobby is all about in my mind.
The next year the club had another plowing day which was at a different
farmer field. I asked why we
were not plowing the same farmers field again? The club had been told not
to come back, the field
was too rough after we plowed it, I can totally understand that. I know my
father would have had a
conniption if he had seen the terrible job of plowing I was doing the first
few rounds. But all that
he had taught me over 50 years ago slowly came back as I was adjusting
things to get the plow right.
Some of those who had been plowing had never ever plowed before. They had a
steep learning curve.
Dean VP
Snohomish, WA 98290
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent
virtue is the equal sharing of misery." . Sir Winston Churchill
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charlie hill
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:33 PM
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yep Herb, there seemed to be a lot of opinions about which plows
pulled best but apparently no one knows why. I have a feeling, no
offense meant to anyone, that it was more about what you liked and
"bragging rights".
Charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Herb Metz
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:41 PM
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Charlie,
With no-till becoming so prominent I doubt if many implement mfgers are very
active in plow design research. Knerveland in Norway is a significant player
in many farm plowing contests; however my impression is the prime concern
there is appearance of the plowed field. What factors do the judges use in
grading contestants? Is fuel economy a consideration? Now that you mention
this, I also would like to know. Herb(GA)
-----Original Message-----
From: charlie hill
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 1:38 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision
Can anyone explain the differences in the plows and what makes one
pull better than the other? Unless their was a patent on the geometry
of the frame or the curve of the plow share it seems to me like everyone
in the business would have built one according to the best model.
I know that Allis plows work particularly good behind Allis tractors but
that
is because their mounted plows were designed to work with the "traction
booster" system and that had more to do with how the traction booster works
and the geometry of the frame than it did with how the plow turned the soil.
I'd sure like to know more about the designs.
Charlie
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From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision
The old tractor mechanic, who taught me the trade over 50 years ago, had
worked in a Moline dealership for many years in OKC. He would tell
about the only plows that could pull the red clay in OK, were Moline &
Oliver. He also would talk about which brand bought Moline & Oliver
plows and painted them their colors. Here in OK, if we plow 8 to 10
inches deep, it is deep. We usually only plow to roll up the terraces
when they get worn down. I am in the part of the country where the
Graham Hoeme plow was invented.
Cecil in OKla
On 6/26/2015 11:01 PM, Greg Hass wrote:
> In our area of Michigan, a lot of people don't moldboard plow any more
> but those that do, and going back 50 years, usually plow at 10 to 12
> inches. I still plow, IH 3 bottom roll-over plow, and I stay in that
> range. I think I would have trouble trying to plow at your depth. In
> our area, the most popular plow ever was the IH 720. In fact, 95% of
> green tractors pulled red plows. A local used machinery dealer used to
> say there are two plows in this country; the IH 720 and then all the rest.
> Greg Hass
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