[AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision

Sun Jun 28 15:49:24 PDT 2015

Charlie,

 I suspect you might be right.  I do know that if a plow isn't set right it pulls harder and relative
to three point plows they are designed for the manufacturers unique three point hitch which may have
slightly different characteristics than others.  I've been to a few club plowing matches and it is
sometime hilarious how some participants have a terrible time getting their plows set properly and all
kinds of weird things happen such as front ends wanting to turn away from the furrow, plows not
wanting to sink in, etc.  I left the farm in the late 50's and didn't plow again until  in the late
90's.  And then my first outing was with a three point plow which I had never used in the 50's.  And
to top it off, I had just installed the guts of the internal  load an depth control on the tractor I
was using which I wasn't 100% sure was even going to work since the tractor had never had those
controls before or ever had a three point hitch on it.  I knew I was pushing the envelope so I had
read the manuals in depth prior to hitting the field so I know what I was supposed to do but had never
done it before It took me about three rounds in the field to get everything set close to where it was
supposed to be and then I started feeling the top link feedback controlling the depth and load. Man I
was a happy camper.  I had put many hours of getting all that installed in the tractor, which was a
complete PITA, and it worked. Yes!  And yes after 40 years it really felt good turning over that soil
again.  And hearing the tractor doing some real work.  Lots of wonderful 40 year old farm memories
came back.  That is what this hobby is all about in my mind. 

The next year the club had another plowing day which was at a different farmer field. I asked why we
were not plowing the same farmers field again?  The club had been told not to come back,  the field
was too rough after we plowed it, I can totally understand that. I know my father would have had a
conniption if he had seen the terrible job of plowing I was doing the first few rounds.  But all that
he had taught me over 50 years ago slowly came back as I was adjusting things to get the plow right.
Some of those who had been plowing had never ever plowed before. They had a steep learning curve. 

Dean VP
Snohomish, WA 98290

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virtue is the equal sharing of misery."  . Sir Winston Churchill

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charlie hill
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision

yep Herb,  there seemed to be a lot of opinions about which plows
pulled best but apparently no one knows why.  I have a feeling, no
offense meant to anyone, that it was more about what you liked and
"bragging rights".

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Herb Metz
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 3:41 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision

Charlie,
With no-till becoming so prominent I doubt if many implement mfgers are very
active in plow design research. Knerveland in Norway is a significant player
in many farm plowing contests; however my impression is the prime concern
there is appearance of the plowed field.  What factors do the judges use in
grading contestants? Is fuel economy a consideration?  Now that you mention
this, I also would like to know.  Herb(GA)

-----Original Message----- 
From: charlie hill
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 1:38 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision

Can anyone explain the differences in the plows and what makes one
pull better than the other?  Unless their was a patent on the geometry
of the frame or the curve of the plow share it seems to me like everyone
in the business would have built one according to the best model.
I know that Allis plows work particularly good behind Allis tractors but
that
is because their mounted plows were designed to work with the "traction
booster" system and that had more to do with how the traction booster works
and the geometry of the frame than it did with how the plow turned the soil.
I'd sure like to know more about the designs.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:03 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Plows, was Re: Supervision

The old tractor mechanic, who taught me the trade over 50 years ago, had
worked in a Moline dealership for many years in OKC.   He would tell
about the only plows that could pull the red clay in OK, were Moline &
Oliver.  He also would talk about which brand bought Moline & Oliver
plows and painted them their colors.  Here in OK, if we plow 8 to 10
inches deep, it is deep.  We usually only plow to roll up the terraces
when they get worn down.   I am in the part of the country where the
Graham Hoeme plow was invented.

Cecil in OKla

On 6/26/2015 11:01 PM, Greg Hass wrote:
> In our area of Michigan, a lot of people don't moldboard  plow any more
> but those that do, and going back 50 years, usually plow at 10 to 12
> inches. I still plow, IH 3 bottom roll-over plow, and I stay in that
> range. I  think I would have trouble trying to plow at your depth. In
> our area, the most popular plow ever was the IH 720.  In fact, 95% of
> green tractors pulled red plows. A local used machinery dealer used to
> say there are two plows in this country; the IH 720 and then all the rest.
>       Greg Hass
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