[AT] Getting water out of a gearbox

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Fri Jun 5 03:29:39 PDT 2015


Ah, ok I thought I was missing something in your logic.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Thomas O Mehrkam
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 9:34 PM
To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
Subject: Re: [AT] Getting water out of a gearbox

Sorry my lack of proof reading skills showing up.  I meant NOT to
replace them.

On 6/4/2015 7:44 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Thomas I don't understand your logic?
> "To my mind $180 is a lot of money for a wheel bearing.    Multiply that 
> by
> two and there is twice the reason to replace them before they show signs 
> of
> failing."  By my way of thinking the expense of the parts gives me every
> reason to run them until they show signs of failure.  Believe me, they'll
> let
> you know before they strand you...... most of the time.
>
> Charlie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Mehrkam
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 5:00 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Getting water out of a gearbox
>
> To my mind $180 is a lot of money for a wheel bearing.    Multiply that by
> two and there is twice the reasonNOT  to replace them before they show 
> signs of
> failing.
> Still burns me that you cannot pack them.  I am not the only one. There is 
> a
> after market hub with serviceable bearings made for the Ford Super Duty.
> Some  4x4 nuts found that the bearings might last 30k when large tires and
> wheels are installed.
>
> Only $1,500 per wheel! Getting what should have been on the truck to begin
> with.
>
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>         On Thursday, June 4, 2015 3:42 PM, Doug Tallman
> <dtallman at accnorwalk.com> wrote:
>
>
> I figured you were going by rotations The sad part is you will be lucky
> to get half that mileage out of the replacements. Factory ones cost
> about double that. Still not expensive by any means. One on my truck
> didn't make any noise or give any warning. it just decided to lock up.
> Doug T
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/4/2015 6:01 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Thinking back on it,  my original intent was to figure out
>> how many times that bearing had rotated and then I decided to
>> convert it to cost.  Obviously if I had just wanted to know how much
>> per mile it would have been a much simpler problem.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 9:45 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Getting water out of a gearbox
>>
>> Ah yes,  I see your point now.  I was working in rotations rather than
>> miles.
>> That is the history of my mathematics.  I always understood the concept
>> but
>> made stupid simple mistakes.  Still not a bad deal.
>>
>> Thanks for the correction.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Doug Tallman
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 7:36 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Getting water out of a gearbox
>>
>> Charlie, my basic math comes out to .00112 dollars per mile. Not as much
>> of a deal you thought it was.  :-)  Doug T
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/2015 6:31 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> hmmm after doing a little basic math it occurs to me that in 250,000
>>> miles
>>> that
>>> bearing has turned on the order of 150 million revolutions.  At $280.00
>>> that
>>> works out
>>> to a bit less than $.000002 per mile.  I don't think it owes me 
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: charlie hill
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:41 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Getting water out of a gearbox
>>>
>>> Yep the sealed bearings are a bit of a mixed blessing.  No maintenance
>>> necessary but
>>> NO maintenance allowed either.
>>>
>>> I do the same thing.  I recently replaced the belts on my truck.  They
>>> weren't broken or completely
>>> worn out but were showing signs of wear and they were old.  Did I throw
>>> them
>>> away...NO.  They went
>>> behind the back seat!
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Thomas Mehrkam
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 2:21 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Getting water out of a gearbox
>>>
>>> One of my gripes is putting sealed bearings in the front hubs.  Mine 
>>> have
>>> 280,000 miles on them.  Seem fine when I check them but I am sure they
>>> are
>>> running on borrowed time.
>>> If they were the type I could pack with grease I could check and repack
>>> then.  I would likely have a spare set of packed bearings in a zip lock
>>> in
>>> my tool box.  Just in case.
>>> I have a pair of prepacked bearings with every trailer I own. And extra
>>> fan
>>> belts in all my vehicles.  Cost's nothing the fan belts are old good 
>>> ones
>>> taken off to put on fresh ones.
>>>
>>> I have been saved more than once by these old spare parts.
>>> One Christmas holiday my daughter and I were driving the 2500 Suburban
>>> from
>>> Houston to South Padre.  My wife and InLaws were at a Condo for the
>>> holidays. I had to work and left early in the next morning
>>> About Warton.  1.5 Hours I lost power steering, Power Brakes and
>>> alternator.
>>> I stopped and the belt was shredded.  It seems the power steering pump
>>> bracket broke.
>>> I put on the spare belt.  It would not stay on because of the bracket. 
>>> I
>>> spotted a coil of barbed ware hanging on the fence next to me.  Thank
>>> goodness for ranchers that believe on keeping old wire hanging hanging
>>> around for emergency fence repairs.  I borrowed a short length and wired
>>> to
>>> pump bracket so the belt would stay on.
>>> I went into town and found small welding shop and asked them if they
>>> could
>>> weld it.  They claimed it would not hold. The bracket was too hard. 
>>> They
>>> said there was a Chevy dealer in town.
>>> The dealer did not have a bracket but they ran a truck to Houston about
>>> 10:30 AM every day for parts.  It was about that time.  He said he would
>>> order the part and have it by 3:30.
>>> One time the dealer did good.  Got the part and got us out by 5:00 Pm.
>>> The
>>> service manager even loaned us his car so we could go to lunch.
>>> Made it to south padre after dark. It was late but we were able to
>>> salvage
>>> the holiday.  Come to think of it all dealerships are not ripoff 
>>> artists.
>>> I
>>> was not even disappointed with the price.  This was 1996 or so.
>>>         From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group 
>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 10:17 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Getting water out of a gearbox
>>>
>>> I had an interesting experience this past Friday.  It could have been
>>> bad and very expensive but it turned out well.  I guess that penny I
>>> found
>>> heads up in the yard Friday morning was a good omen.
>>>
>>> I was headed to Maryland.  On I-95 just south of the I-295 exit I 
>>> started
>>> getting
>>> a bad front end vibration.  I took an exit hoping to find nothing worse
>>> than
>>> a flat
>>> tire.  Not so.  I couldn't find a thing that looked out of place but I
>>> knew
>>> that the
>>> right front hub (4 WD 2006 GMC) was running on borrowed time.  The left
>>> side
>>> was changed out about 3 years ago and the right side had over 250,000
>>> miles
>>> on it.
>>> I grabbed the top of the tire and snatched on it.  Sure enough I felt
>>> about
>>> 1/8" or so of
>>> slack.  There was nothing to do buy keep going.  No where really to get
>>> it
>>> worked on.
>>> This was at about 3pm on Friday afternoon.  I made it nearly to
>>> Fredericksburg Va. when
>>> I ran into a traffic delay for about 3 miles of stop and go.  Every time
>>> I
>>> started I had to
>>> apply too much throttle and I didn't need to touch the brake pedal to
>>> stop!
>>>
>>> I limped to the next exit, still tied up in traffic, and got off.  After
>>> pulling into a parking lot
>>> I searched on my phone for the nearest AutoZone.  Not that I'm
>>> particularly
>>> fond of AutoZone
>>> but I knew a few things.  There's one most everywhere, they loan tools
>>> and
>>> I
>>> happened to know
>>> that they carry that hub in the Timken brand.  Sure enough there was an
>>> AutoZone store less than
>>> a mile from me.  I found it, went in and explained my situation.  They
>>> had
>>> the hub (1 in stock) and
>>> they had the tools and it was ok to work in their parking lot but they
>>> didn't have jacks or jack stands
>>> to loan out so I knew I'd have to buy what I needed.  I asked if there
>>> was
>>> a
>>> local shop that could
>>> do it now, do it right and not rip me off.  The commercial accounts guy
>>> picked up the phone and
>>> made a call.  I heard him say Amigo,  '06 Z 71 Quattro Quattro  front 
>>> hub
>>> NOW?  The parts man
>>> said he can do it now.  I said how much.  He asked.  The answer came 
>>> back
>>> $100.00.
>>> Mind you this was at 4:15 pm on Friday.  I told him yes.
>>>
>>> I bought the hub for $180.00 and they had their parts runner girl escort
>>> me
>>> to the shop.
>>> When we got there Jorge was waiting in his one bay shop in a single 
>>> slope
>>> metal building
>>> that housed a detail shop and other similar small businesses, each 
>>> taking
>>> up
>>> a bay or two.
>>> Jorge is about 50 I'm guessing.  He spoke English well enough for me to
>>> talk
>>> to him.  He apologetically
>>> asked if I could wait 5 minutes for him to start to let it cool.  He
>>> offered
>>> us bottled water which
>>> we declined because we had our own.  Just a few minutes later he went to
>>> work.  He was fast and
>>> clearly knew what he was doing.  I watched him work from a distance.  I
>>> didn't want to make him
>>> nervous or make him think I didn't trust him but I wanted to make sure 
>>> he
>>> was doing it right.  He did.
>>> He did all the little things that some mechanics wouldn't bother with
>>> like
>>> making sure he straightened
>>> the slight bends he put in the dust cap that covers the axle nut when he
>>> had
>>> to pry it off and putting a
>>> bit of anti seize grease on the new lug studs.
>>>
>>> In about 45 minutes he was finished.  I gave him the promised $100.00 
>>> and
>>> thanked him.  He gave me his
>>> business card just in case something wasn't right and I needed to call.
>>> (He
>>> knew I was passing through
>>> and wouldn't be back otherwise).  I thanked him again and was gone.
>>>
>>> I just wish Jorge was in my town because I'd gladly use his services.  I
>>> could have changed the hub myself and
>>> would have if I had been at home but not for $100 bucks.  With my bad
>>> knees
>>> it was worth every cent of
>>> 100 bucks to have him do it and do it right.
>>>
>>> Yes this is my tractor hauling truck (obligatory tractor reference).
>>>
>>> If you are ever in Fredericksburg VA and need a good mechanic find the
>>> AutoZone near the 17 Business exit (first US 17
>>> exit going north) and ask them to tell you how to find Jorge Auto
>>> Service.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>>
>>>
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