[AT] Second cutting

[jtchall at nc.rr.com]

Is it possible that the header is set up like some of the older combines 
that the spring assist for float can be bolted solid for certain 
applications?  The header on my 3300 Deere works that way.

John Hall


-----Original Message----- 
From: Gunnells, Bradley R
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:12 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Second cutting

On my IH 990 where the cylinder attaches is not a rigid connection. Meaning 
that even retracting the cylinder all the way it won't apply down pressure. 
This allows it to float up. I'd be surprised if yours didn't have a similar 
system. On mine I picked up an old Allis cylinder to use on it and it's 
configured as a 1-way cylinder so it's moot in my case.

As Bill said, I wonder if the assist springs are doing their job.

Brad

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On Jul 26, 2015, at 7:32 AM, "Spencer Yost" <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:

> Ok. Did some data gathering.  I still have an inch or two of adjustment , 
> so I'll try to gather that in and see if it helps.   The cylinder has the 
> right lengths according to the manual, both retracted and extended.  I 
> said "extended" below, but the cylinder is in retracted position when the 
> head is down.  Since the length is right, I assume the cylinder cannot be 
> the issue.
>
> I'll tighten the springs as far as they will go and see if that helps.
>
> I'll report back later.
>
>
> Spencer
>
>> On Jul 26, 2015, at 7:43, Spencer Yost <yostsw at atis.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hey bill,
>>
>> I shouldn't have said height.  Floatation is the right word.  Just too 
>> much head weight on the ground.   I have the springs all the out and yet 
>> I still have more weight than I can move.   150+lbs I am sure.
>>
>> I don't know if I need new springs or what.
>>
>> The only other thing is I am not sure how the hydraulic cylinder linkage 
>> works.   Maybe it's possible the cylinder extends too far or some other 
>> malfunction is allowing the cylinder to put downward pressure on the 
>> head?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2015, at 23:07, "Bill Bruer" <bill_bru at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't understand your problems with the cutting height, Spencer.  I 
>>> used
>>> to have a NH 477 haybine and still use a 472 model.  On both of those, 
>>> the
>>> cylinder is used to raise the header to transport position.  For 
>>> cutting,
>>> the cylinder is retracted all the way so that the header rests on the 
>>> ground
>>> and is free to float.  The header rides on skid shoes just behind and 
>>> under
>>> the cutter bar, one on each end.  You adjust the cutting height by
>>> positioning holes in those shoes.  The manuals are very clear that the
>>> cylinder is never to be used to carry the weight of the header in 
>>> operation.
>>>
>>> The draft, or header floatation, is adjusted by tensioning the large 
>>> springs
>>> behind the head.  It should only take a maximum of 70 lbs of force to 
>>> raise
>>> either end of the header by lifting at the end of the push bar.  Cutter 
>>> bar
>>> floatation seems to be something that is not adjusted by a lot of 
>>> people.  I
>>> got my 477 haybine in 1998 when it was 25 years old; it had never been
>>> adjusted and the adjusting bolts were just as it left the factory.  The
>>> lifting weight was a lot more than my 100 lb scale would register.  Same
>>> thing with the 472, though it was only a couple of years old when I got 
>>> it,
>>> and with a NH 408 discbine I had for a while.  Two well-used sickle 
>>> mowers I
>>> have owned were also much heavier draft than they should have been.
>>>
>>> Bill Bruer
>>> Murfreesboro, TN
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Spencer Yost
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 6:53 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: [AT] Second cutting
>>>
>>> The male alpacas are enjoying a banquet of fresh cut hay while the 861D
>>> takes a breather.
>>>
>>> The new mower did very well with cutting but I had a lot of trouble with
>>> drafting.  It was very hard to keep the height correct. If I extend the
>>> cylinder there is simply too much weight on the head.  I created way too
>>> many dirt gouges.
>>>
>>> And of course like any new piece of equipment it took a little while to 
>>> get
>>> used to. It always takes a time or two before you get the spacing 
>>> between
>>> the tractor and mower absolutely correct 100% of the time.
>>>
>>> All in all I'm pretty pleased with the mower.   Pictures are below.
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
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