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Dave Rotigel rotigel at me.com
Mon Jan 19 08:45:28 PST 2015


All this, in addition to those darn black helicopters that seem always to be flying just to the west of my house, is making me believe that the 147,000 rounds of .223 that I have in my basement just may not be enough!
	Dave
PS, Now, off to consult with the neighborhood which doctor!

On Jan 19, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:

> The issue with blindly following the doctor's advice is that he/she (1)
> lives in constant fear of malpractice suits (2) lives in constant fear of
> not getting paid by the insurance company.  Put those two together and you
> get a doctor who is going to toe the company line.  The major issue is that
> the company line hasn't been updated in decades, and it would have us all
> scurrying around trying to drop our LDL cholesterol with pharmaceuticals.
> The big newsflash is that there's more than one kind of LDL, and many
> people with seemingly-high cholesterol numbers actually have the benign
> kind of LDL and they are at no special risk for heart disease.  There's a
> test for that, called NMR, that doctors never order.  I believe that's
> because the test is not yet compensated by the insurance companies.
> 
> Let's add the third issue with doctors (3) they receive very close to zero
> training in nutrition.  Doctors are all about fixing what's already broken,
> not about trying to keep it from breaking in the first place.
> 
> I can go on and on, but trying to keep it short... heart disease develops
> when inflammatory substances assault the interiors of your arteries for so
> long that the body's natural repair mechanisms start to leave behind lumps
> of junk (like somebody cleaning up a fairgrounds and leaving a giant heap
> of full trash bags in one spot).  The stuff they're cleaning up is small
> oxidized particles of LDL that have wedged into the artery lining at the
> assaulted sites.  The prevention idea here is to NOT have inflammatory
> substances in your bloodstream, and also to keep your LDL large and fluffy,
> not small and oxidized.  How?  Drop most carbs out of your diet.
> Specifically sugars and grains of all kinds.  Keep starchy veggies like
> potatoes and squash but get rid of anything made with sugar and flour.
> Whole grains are no better.  It all becomes sugar (glucose) when digested
> and it assaults your arteries.  The other highly inflammatory substances to
> avoid are seed oils (canola, soy, sunflower, safflower, etc).  Eliminate
> processed foods of all kinds, and eat real foods:  read meat and white meat
> and eggs and whole full-fat diary and nuts and LOTS of green leafy veggies
> and other colors of veggies and fruits.  This diet will literally heal your
> arteries.
> 
> Statins work by dropping your LDL way way down, making it into a statistics
> game.  Less LDL, smaller cleanup piles.  You're still at risk... tons of
> people admitted to cardiac care units are already on statins and go in with
> very very low numbers and yet they are in the middle of cardiac arrest.
> (Reliable statistics to back this up are all over the Internet)  Think
> about that.  These people with low number and having a heart attack anyway
> are simply the lower half of the statisical bell curve.  That's a huge
> strike against statins before you even start on the side effects.
> 
> SO
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 9:28 AM, <gdotfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
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>> I don't know why anyone would blindly follow the advice of another when he
>> knows how harmful that is to himself. Communication is vital. If your
>> doctor is not receptive to your needs, it is time to change doctors.
>> 
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>> Sent from Windows Mail
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>> From: David Rotigel
>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 9:17 PM
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
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>> 
>> I've always thought that it's best to follow your doctor's advice!
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Mike wrote:
>> 
>>> Lipitor - generic
>>> Zetia - $$$$
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/18/2015 5:18 PM, gdotfly at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Farmer, a little heads up on the Lipitor. It is a statin and 2 of the
>> side affects are muscle pains and weakness. My brother, Larry, and I both
>> went through the same symptoms. For me last year at Portland I was nearly
>> handicapped by these side affects. Brother Larry clued me in on his
>> experience with these meds. I was watching a commercial on tv and when they
>> announced the side affects as sore muscles and weakness, I immediately
>> identified with them. I was on Crestor which is same family as Lipitor.
>> Quit taking the meds immediately and within 2 weeks the side affects were
>> all gone. I take Zetia for my cholesterol and numbers all good and I feel
>> better than I have for several years. Neighbor has a good friend who is a
>> cardiac nurse who shares opinion of statins.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Gene
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Windows Mail
>>>> 
>>>>> I have an electric golf cart but if I brought it and a tractor I would
>>>> have to use the bigger trailer. Either that or wrestle the golf cart up
>> on
>>>> the RV roof rack...  :-)
>>>> I used to haul my Farmall Super MTA and my MM-R together on the trailer
>> so
>>>> if I put a lighter tractor and the golf cart on it it will still tow
>>>> properly behind the RV. I just usually like to have the hitch as close
>> to
>>>> the tow vehicle rear axle as reasonably possible for a heavy load. I
>> have
>>>> shortened the frame on a few trucks for towing over the years.
>>>> I keep working on the recovery and if I can get rid of the max dosage
>>>> Lipitor side effects (seeing the cardiac guy this week) I think things
>> will
>>>> continue to improve. He and I tend to think a little differently about
>> some
>>>> things.
>>>> Using one of those firm exercise squeeze balls about 10 times a day
>> seems
>>>> to be helping a lot with the muscle pain and loss of control in my
>> hands. I
>>>> do worry though that I will end up with huge "Hulk" like hands attached
>> to
>>>> little Tyrannosaurus rex arms.  :-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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