[AT] Out with the new, in with the old

[Cecil R Bearden]

John
the reason we get these electronic digital over computed machines is 
because the business management now allows it.  The managers of old 
would have raised hell with the dealer and on to the manufacturer to 
change or stop producing this electronic crap. Now, most of the managers 
just say " that's the cost of doing business"  and very soon the 
business goes belly up or the expenses are so high that manufacturing is 
outsourced to a 3rd world country where those guys are rebuilding our 50 
yr old machinery to use in their production......

We put up with a lot of this crap because of the political and legal 
system here in the US.  In an injury case the first thing the plaintiffs 
lawyer asks is how old the machinery is....  Then makes a federal case 
about the forklift being 20 yrs old...    The EPA requires the computer 
crap to make sure that you now need that DEF to make the exhaust stink 
worse.......

They call it progress...when it is really B.S.

Cecil in oKla


On 1/17/2015 7:17 AM, jtchall at nc.rr.com wrote:
> In some cases its good to be able to change out entire units as opposed to
> rebuilding the old one. If the cost of the new unit is only slightly more
> than the rebuild, you'll be money ahead and should have better quality too.
> Small 2 cycle carburetors are a good example of this. We've learned to price
> a kit vs. a new carb before determining which way to go. The downside to
> this practice is on any given machine, there tend to be problems unique to
> that model. Often the problems are simple and cheap to fix, but are hard to
> identify. When we develop a culture of wholesale changing units, the
> detective work to find the problem behind the problem is lost. Once the
> machine gets old and is not owned by someone using it a lot that can justify
> large repair bills, it becomes not worth fixing. I just don't see a lot of
> machinery and automobiles made today having as long of service life as our
> old iron. Don't believe me, stop by your local Ford, GM, or Dodge dealer and
> see if they even have parts list access to a 25 or 30 year old truck.
>
> The boss bought a new to us forklift a couple months ago. We had a 30 year
> old Cat in great shape but it had an oil leak that was going to cost more to
> fix than the machine was worth. He traded it in a refurbished Clark.
> Evidently that thing has more electronics than a new car. Dealer has been
> out 6-8 times in 2 months trying to get it to run correctly. I can't
> understand for the life of me why a forklift needs anything other than
> bore-bones mechanical technology. The Cat we got rid of had old school
> gauges and a back up alarm tied into the shifter. It was simple and it
> worked. The Clark has a bunch of digital gauges and even some sort of alarm
> that triggers the horn if it isn't shut off in the correct sequence.  All
> that crap does is cause headaches and cause us to be down a machine.
>
> This morning I've got to rebuild the 2 master cylinders on a 42 year old IH
> tractor. It was $70 for the kits or $200 for new master cylinders. I'm
> hoping the pistons and shafts aren't worn too badly so that new wear items
> will solve my problem.
> If the parts come today, I've also got to put a kit in the brake
> equalizer--$85 vs. a few hundred.
>
> John Hall
>
>
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