[AT] off topic, Internet takeover by govt ?
David Rotigel
rotigel at me.com
Thu Feb 5 12:53:49 PST 2015
That's the FREE MARKET at work, Cecil! God help us from those who want MORE government in our lives!
Dave
On Feb 5, 2015, at 3:18 PM, Cecil R Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
> Nearly every machinery manufacturer has decided that serviceability and
> reliability are non-essential. Style and form are the most important. I
> quit buying Gm products because of the trouble I had with AC systems and
> the door handles on their trucks. If the compressor went out, you had
> to replace the dryer in order to get a guarantee on the compressor. 99%
> of the time when you removed the dryer you ruined the connection into
> the evaporator in the dash. The evaporator had a stainless nut that
> threaded into an aluminum nut on the dryer. There was only 1/2 inch of
> room between the evap nut and the firewall. A new evap was $125 and a 6
> hr job to install and 2 screws in the lower side over the trans hump
> never could be replaced, so it rattled form then on.... The outside
> door handle on the 88-200 work trucks takes a contortionist and x-ray
> vision and 3 hours to replace. I blame all of this on City kids who
> grew up and learned CAD drawing and never had to work on a piece of
> machinery in their life....
>
> Rant off I am just getting started....
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
>
> On 2/5/2015 1:43 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>> Let the free market take care of this. We already have MORE than enough laws regulating our lives!
>> Dave
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Stephen Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> OF COURSE manufacturers should be required to make these systems reliable;
>>> I completely agree.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve, are you forgetting about the millions of other pieces of
>>>> machinery that have no EVAP systems, or even emission standards? Older
>>>> lawn mowers, snow blowers, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, old tractors,
>>>> outboard motors, etc. I'm not arguing against EVAP systems at all, I'm
>>>> just saying that manufacturers should be required to make them more
>>>> reliable. I know the problem Charlie is talking about, and the reason GM
>>>> gave was that the part wasn't designed for being driven on dusty roads.
>>>> It was poor engineering nothing else.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>
>>>> On 2/5/2015 11:20 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
>>>>> Charlie, please note that *I* am not the one worried about sloshed fuel.
>>>>> Re-read my comments more carefully and note that I am responding to Mike
>>>>> who is using the sloshed fuel as an excuse to condemn every single
>>>>> evaporative emission capture system on the road. The point, which
>>>> perhaps
>>>>> I need to spell out more clearly, is that Mike's logic is flawed. The
>>>>> sheer quantity of sloshed/spilled fuel that's happening routinely as a
>>>>> result of sloppy refueling is infinitesimal in comparison to the amount
>>>> of
>>>>> fuel that would enter the atmosphere if none of the 250,000,000 cars on
>>>> the
>>>>> road had the "EVAP" system.
>>>>>
>>>>> SO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:51 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve stop worrying about the few ounces of fuel I might slosh on the
>>>>>> ground
>>>>>> or even intentionally pour out if it's contaminated. Every military
>>>> plane
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> flies dumps it's fuel before it lands. If the flight operation is
>>>> shorter
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> planned they dump a lot of fuel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Stephen Offiler
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 7:23 AM
>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] off topic, Internet takeover by govt ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back when I started driving and wrenching on things with four wheels
>>>>>> instead of two, the carburetor was still king, but this was right around
>>>>>> the introduction of the catalytic converter and they were starting to
>>>> hang
>>>>>> electrical gizmos on carburetors on new cars (of course, I was a kid,
>>>>>> driving and toying with older stuff). I clearly remember the smell of
>>>>>> gasoline was pervasive around cars back then, especially those stored in
>>>>>> closed garages. Every single vehicle on the road back then (about 150
>>>>>> million in the late 1970's) was slowly but steadily emitting vapors into
>>>>>> the air, constantly, 24/7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am firmly in the camp that says CO2 is inhaled by plants for
>>>>>> photosynthesis and therefore this recent classification of CO2 as a
>>>>>> pollutant is ridiculous. BUT... BUT! Unburned hydrocarbons are a
>>>>>> COMPLETELY different story from an environmental standpoint. If there
>>>> is
>>>>>> something that can be done to keep what is now today 250 million cars
>>>> from
>>>>>> constantly emitting unburned hydrocarbon vapors 24/7, I am 100% in
>>>> favor of
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for the sloppy fools who dump raw gas on the ground while
>>>> refueling...
>>>>>> yup, they exist. Their couple ounces compared with the hundreds or even
>>>>>> thousands of people who did NOT slop raw gas on the ground while
>>>> refueling
>>>>>> divides those couple ounces out into an incredibly tiny fraction
>>>> overall,
>>>>>> and it pales deep into insignficance compared with the entire vehicle
>>>> fleet
>>>>>> bleeding vapors into the air 24/7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These codes are total BS, most caused by whiffs of a little gas vapor.
>>>>>>> I've seen people filling their cars with fuel that slosh 1-2 oz of fuel
>>>>>>> on the ground putting the fuel nozzle back into the pump. How many
>>>>>>> whiffs of vapor is that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/4/2015 9:57 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/4/2015 3:25 PM, pga2 at basicisp.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Here in Texas we have an annual state inspection of all vehicles
>>>>>>> operated
>>>>>>>>> on public roads. It requires proof of insurance to get it done, as
>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>> as to get license plates. Starting next month, the inspection and
>>>>>>>>> regis-
>>>>>>>>> tration stickers will be combined. In major metropolitan areas, there
>>>>>>>>> has been a tailpipe test in place since about 1982. Most vehicles
>>>> pass
>>>>>>>>> this fairly easily. In the rest of the state it is basically just a
>>>>>>> safety
>>>>>>>>> inspection and a check to see that the factory emissions equipment is
>>>>>>>>> still in place. The check engine light must not be on in order to
>>>>>> pass.
>>>>>>>>> Phil in TX
>>>>>>>> Then even my "new" vehicle would fail. The check light has been on for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> few years on my 97 Blazer yet everything works fine.
>>>>>>>> A code reader said (I think) it was the fuel vent or something like
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>> My older vehicle have no such light to worry about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph in Sask.
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