[AT] off topic, Internet takeover by govt ?

[Mike]

Steve, are you forgetting about the millions of other pieces of 
machinery that have no EVAP systems, or even emission standards? Older 
lawn mowers, snow blowers, motorcycles, 4 wheelers, old tractors, 
outboard motors, etc. I'm not arguing against EVAP systems at all, I'm 
just saying that manufacturers should be required to make them more 
reliable. I know the problem Charlie is talking about, and the reason GM 
gave was that the part wasn't designed for being driven on dusty roads. 
It was poor engineering nothing else.

Mike M

On 2/5/2015 11:20 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> Charlie, please note that *I* am not the one worried about sloshed fuel.
> Re-read my comments more carefully and note that I am responding to Mike
> who is using the sloshed fuel as an excuse to condemn every single
> evaporative emission capture system on the road.  The point, which perhaps
> I need to spell out more clearly, is that Mike's logic is flawed.  The
> sheer quantity of sloshed/spilled fuel that's happening routinely as a
> result of sloppy refueling is infinitesimal in comparison to the amount of
> fuel that would enter the atmosphere if none of the 250,000,000 cars on the
> road had the "EVAP" system.
>
> SO
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 9:51 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Steve stop worrying about the few ounces of fuel I might slosh on the
>> ground
>> or even intentionally pour out if it's contaminated.  Every military plane
>> that
>> flies dumps it's fuel before it lands.  If the flight operation is shorter
>> than
>> planned they dump a lot of fuel.
>>
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Offiler
>> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 7:23 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] off topic, Internet takeover by govt ?
>>
>> Back when I started driving and wrenching on things with four wheels
>> instead of two, the carburetor was still king, but this was right around
>> the introduction of the catalytic converter and they were starting to hang
>> electrical gizmos on carburetors on new cars (of course, I was a kid,
>> driving and toying with older stuff).  I clearly remember the smell of
>> gasoline was pervasive around cars back then, especially those stored in
>> closed garages.  Every single vehicle on the road back then (about 150
>> million in the late 1970's) was slowly but steadily emitting vapors into
>> the air, constantly, 24/7.
>>
>> I am firmly in the camp that says CO2 is inhaled by plants for
>> photosynthesis and therefore this recent classification of CO2 as a
>> pollutant is ridiculous.  BUT... BUT!  Unburned hydrocarbons are a
>> COMPLETELY different story from an environmental standpoint.  If there is
>> something that can be done to keep what is now today 250 million cars from
>> constantly emitting unburned hydrocarbon vapors 24/7, I am 100% in favor of
>> it.
>>
>> As for the sloppy fools who dump raw gas on the ground while refueling...
>> yup, they exist.  Their couple ounces compared with the hundreds or even
>> thousands of people who did NOT slop raw gas on the ground while refueling
>> divides those couple ounces out into an incredibly tiny fraction overall,
>> and it pales deep into insignficance compared with the entire vehicle fleet
>> bleeding vapors into the air 24/7.
>>
>> SO
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> These codes are total BS, most caused by  whiffs of a little gas vapor.
>>> I've seen people filling their cars with fuel that slosh 1-2 oz of fuel
>>> on the ground putting the fuel nozzle back into the pump. How many
>>> whiffs of vapor is that?
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/4/2015 9:57 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2015 3:25 PM, pga2 at basicisp.net wrote:
>>>>> Here in Texas we have an annual state inspection of all vehicles
>>> operated
>>>>> on public roads. It requires proof of insurance to get it done, as
>> well
>>>>> as to get license plates. Starting next month, the inspection and
>>>>> regis-
>>>>> tration stickers will be combined. In major metropolitan areas, there
>>>>> has been a tailpipe test in place since about 1982. Most vehicles pass
>>>>> this fairly easily. In the rest of the state it is basically just a
>>> safety
>>>>> inspection and a check to see that the factory emissions equipment is
>>>>> still in place. The check engine light must not be on in order to
>> pass.
>>>>> Phil in TX
>>>> Then even my "new" vehicle would fail. The check light has been on for
>> a
>>>> few years on my 97 Blazer yet everything works fine.
>>>> A code reader said (I think) it was the fuel vent or something like
>>>> that.
>>>> My older vehicle have no such light to worry about.
>>>>
>>>> Ralph in Sask.
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