[AT] Glow plugs
charlie hill
charliehill at embarqmail.com
Sat Dec 26 07:54:20 PST 2015
Mine had a big old Delco generator that was probably 18" long at least.
It was heavy as lead. The guys laughed at me when it quit working not
long after I bought the truck. They said "you're going to spend some money
now". I knew of an alternator and generator shop about 25 miles down the
road that had been around for years. I took it there expecting the worst
but
knowing they could fix it and would be fair. The guy took one look at it
and
me and I guess maybe felt sorry for me. He immediately took it apart,
replaced
a bushing, cleaned and tested it and charged me something like $14.00.
charlie
-----Original Message-----
From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:38 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
My old truck had a Leece Neeville alternator that was about a foot long
and went dead about 2 years after we got the truck. Local shop I used
could not repair it, and the commercial guys wanted $350 to fix it. I
went back t my local shop and we replaced it with a chrysler and added
the little external relay box that went with chrysler alternators. It
worked fine. Total cost was $30..! This was before the one wire delco
alternators...
Cecil in OKla
On 12/25/2015 9:54 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Good story Cecil. You learned to drive about the same way I did.
> I had driven a school bus in high school (when students were allowed to
> drive for the young guys here).
> Then at some point I got a job driving a C65 Chevy tri-axle dump truck
> with
> a 427 gas engine.
> It had a 5 speed with a 4 speed auxiliary transmission. I never did learn
> how to split shift that thing.
> The 4 speed aux. was non synchronized. Luckily it had enough motor that I
> seldom had to use the aux.
> transmission. Then I got put in a similar truck with a RT 913 road
> ranger.
> That's the lighter duty 13 speed
> roadranger. I drove it for a month or so. I was driving for two
> brothers.
> One ran the dump trucking operation
> and the other ran the logging job. One morning I went to work and Earl
> (the
> logger) said come on with me.
> You aren't going to drive the dump truck today. You're going to drive a
> log
> truck. I protested that I had never
> driven a tractor trailer. He said "doesn't that truck you've been driving
> have a 13 speed?" I said yes. He said
> "that's all you need to know". He took me into a timber land tract that
> belonged to The Voice of America radio
> network and put me out beside a loaded Brockway 361 twin screw tractor,
> loaded with pulp wood and told me to
> take it to the Plymouth NC Weyerhaeuser pulp mill. Mind you I knew
> nothing
> about trailer air brakes and had
> never pulled a trailer bigger than a single axle wooden bed farm trailer.
> I
> had to go over and get one of the guys on the logging
> crew to show me how to properly chain up the load. The timber road was a
> single lane with a wide x deep canal
> on each side, clay land and it had recently rained. I made it out on the
> highway and through the narrow and heavily
> truck traveled road to the mill, managed to find the right scale house and
> wood yard for the type of wood I was
> hauling and got unloaded. That was about a 3 hour ordeal from chain up to
> unload. I think sometime shortly after I drove
> out of the mill I took my first breath since the boss put me out! LOL.
> All
> joking aside, I never knew what "white knuckled"
> meant until that day.
>
> The cracker box I bought belonged to a small contractor and he used it to
> pull a low boy and a 25' steel body dump trailer.
> I went with a friend of mine who wanted to buy the trailer from him. I
> had no intention of buying anything let alone a
> road tractor but the guy wouldn't sell the trailer without the tractor so
> I
> just blurted out to my friend "I'll buy the truck, you buy
> the trailer" and just that quick I went from truck driver to independent
> trucker. Luckily it was in good shape. The only work I did
> to it was put some bushings in the generator, yes generator, it didn't
> have
> an alternator. I only kept it about a year and sold it
> to a friend with a small logging job and no truck. He needed it more than
> I
> wanted it.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 8:40 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>
> Charlie:
> We had a friend who worked for Wonder Bread in OKC. He told Dad about 3
> trucks they were going to sell by sealed bid. They had a 62
> Freightliner, a 63 and a 64 GMC all were single axle truck tractors.
> We got the GMCs. I had driven truck tractors before, but they were
> gasoline with a 5 & 2, never a real truck transmission, and never a
> diesel. We went to get the trucks during lunch hour, I told the boss
> I was going to be back late. The bread plant was one block off I-40 in
> downtown OKC. The on ramp was the next block over and it connected to
> the freeway in a curve.... The driver who normally drove the truck was
> off that day and no one knew how it shifted. I started out in a
> gear..which one I don't know. Hit the on ramp, got up to about 30mph
> and was flat out. twisted the sleeve under the gearshift and nothing
> happened. Hit the clutch and it downshifted!! Turned the sleeve back
> and clutched again. It sped back up to 30 again. Minimum speed is 40, I
> kept looking for something else, a lever or something to move to get
> into high gear. This truck ran from OKC to Dallas.... I noticed a T
> handle Near the gearshift. I think I pushed it in. nothing happened!
> I clutched it and It tried to take off but the engine was really
> lugging.... During all this I had to pay attention to traffic on the
> freeway!! I tried downshifting the gearshift and found a gear that
> worked better. I had about a 15 mile trip to a friends place to leave
> the truck until after work. I figured out how to shift it on that trip.
> Dad decided to take the other truck later that afternoon as he always
> worried that I might know how to do something he didn't. The story he
> had about learning the shift pattern even after I told him how it
> shifted was even better than mine. Something about another semi driver
> giving him the bird....
>
> The 64 model had some noise in the rear end. When I opened it up I
> found a broken pinion cage. I brazed the pinion cage back together and
> installed a new bearing on the end of the pinion. The engine on this
> truck was better, but I worried about the rear end. Dad wanted to get
> his money back so I did not have time to swap rear ends. Drove the
> truck to our farm down south and took it to the spring farm equipment
> sale there. A big farmer bought it to pull his dozer around and wanted
> me to teach his son how to drive it. I showed him how it shifted during
> the 20 mile trip to his place. Would you believe that 20years later
> he was still using that truck and never did anything but change the oil
> in it!!!!
> I built a pintle trailer that had an old truck axle at the rear and
> would lay down at the front. Then took the cylinder out of a dump hoist
> and some 4 inch I Beam, and a 12volt forklift pump and built a
> hydraulic gin pole on the back. We would pick up the trailer and put
> the pintle over the ball on the truck drawbar, then bolt a 1 inch strap
> over the top of the pintle eye and the ball. There was no way it was
> coming off. For10 years we used that truck hauling equipment from
> Chickasha to Piedmont OK. Never was stopped! No brakes on the trailer
> either.... It was safer that a lot of trucks and trailers on the road
> back then....
>
> Things sure are different now.....
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 12/24/2015 7:26 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> You have to be kidding me Cecil! My first truck
>> was a 63 GMC, aluminum cab, (cracker box) COE with a 8-71 Detroit and
>> a 10 speed road ranger. I think we might be talking about
>> the same cab? Mine was a twin screw. If it is the same truck I might
>> have a brand new grill insert for it. I had one, don't know if it's
>> still
>> over at the farm or if someone has walked off with it. I sold mine
>> to a friend who had a small logging operation and needed a truck.
>> It got wrecked not long after he bought it. I'd like to restore one of
>> them myself but haven't seen one around here in years.
>>
>> Merry Christmas
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:59 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>>
>> My first diesel truck was an old 63 GMC pancake cab single axle tractor
>> with a 6-71 Detroit and a 12 speed Spicer behind it ( 2spd input, 3 spd
>> trans, 2 spd output). We hauled equipment and cattle between 2 farms
>> about 70 miles apart as the route required. It served us well and I
>> did a lot of equipment hauling with it. The Spicer gave out and we
>> tried to install a RT910 and never got the linkage right. I sold it to
>> a neighbor last summer. He wants to restore it.
>>
>> Merry Christmas to all
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/2015 8:01 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> You sure are right about them being a different animal but I'm very fond
>>> of
>>> the old Detroits. I have seen two of them come completely unglued
>>> with
>>> parts flying. One was a 3-53 in a log skidder and it was inside a shop
>>> with
>>> people working all around it. They were running for cover. It had just
>>> been
>>> rebuilt and they test fired it forgetting that they had not hooked the
>>> governor
>>> linkage back up. The other was a 6-71 in a concrete truck.
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas to all.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>>>
>>> Detroits are another animal when it comes to gassing the intake. I was
>>> on a site one time clearing an old house site where there was an old
>>> Hough loader with a 3-53. The operator was going to pick up an old 250
>>> gallon propane tank and move it. Like the idiot he was, he tried to
>>> scoop up the tank in the bucket. The tank turned over and broke off the
>>> liquid valve. It started spewing and the detroit started revving up in
>>> about 30 seconds. He baled off the loader. I ran over and plugged the
>>> air intake with my coat. It was a heavy Carrhart and it shut it down in
>>> a few seconds. The boss asked me if I could drive the loader, I said I
>>> had been operating equipment since I was 6 years old. I was about 23
>>> then. Boss fired the idiot operator on site & I got a raise!. Worked
>>> all Christmas vacation and weekends for the guy driving anything he had.
>>> I got $12/hr whenever I had time to work for him..... If I had
>>> stayed I would have had my own construction company. Oh Well!
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2015 11:22 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>> Cecil I've seen that done a few times too but be careful.
>>>> One day I was on a logging job when the loader ran out of
>>>> fuel. The 4 53 detroit wouldn't pick up the fuel and the very
>>>> experienced mechanic used the red rag soaked in gas trick.
>>>> Unfortunately he used a bit too much gas on the rag. The
>>>> detroit fired and sped to an RPM way beyond what it should
>>>> have been turning. We all headed for safety expecting it to come
>>>> apart. It didn't but it did blow the tip off of 2 injectors in the
>>>> process.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 8:34 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>>>>
>>>> I have an old trick that was showed to my by a OK Nat Gas company
>>>> backhoe operator back in 1975. I had rented a JD crawler that was
>>>> worn
>>>> out, and a tree had toppled over and broke the fuel filter bracket. I
>>>> had it welded and mounted it back with a new filter and could not get
>>>> the system complete bled. He took an old sweatshirt rag and soaked it
>>>> with gas, held it over the air cleaner and I hit the starter. The
>>>> engine would run on the gasoline with a little knock, until it picked
>>>> up
>>>> fuel and started running.
>>>> I have used that trick many times since, even in cold weather on
>>>> Perkins
>>>> engines without damage to the engine.
>>>> I ran out of fuel in one side tank on a semi on the side of the
>>>> road
>>>> about 1/4 mile from the T/A truckstop. I switched to the other tank
>>>> but the engine would not pick up fuel. Hiked over to the truckstop
>>>> and
>>>> bought a gas can then back to the gas station for a gallon of gas also
>>>> bought a pack of red rags. When I got back to the truck I did not want
>>>> to ruin my pack of rags, so I just poured gas on the air filter. It
>>>> started and ran fine. I went on in to OKC...
>>>> I had an 1155 Massey that had a V-8 diesel with the inj pump in the V
>>>> of
>>>> the engine. It was a bear to pump. I would use the gas on a rag
>>>> trick
>>>> to get fuel back into the pump.
>>>> My 7.3 powerstroke will lose pump pressure after sitting for 6 months.
>>>> I disconnect the glow plug and use the gas on the rag to get it to
>>>> start
>>>> without running down the batteries.
>>>> I have started my 930 Case a few winters with the gas on a rag as the
>>>> glow plug does not work.
>>>> My Belarus tractors have a glow system that drips fuel into the
>>>> manifold
>>>> and lights it off to create a small fire to warm up the air in the
>>>> manifold. I have never used it as they start fine as long as the
>>>> batteries crank fast enough.
>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/21/2015 12:54 AM, Greg Hass wrote:
>>>>> I have a 715 IH combine that I used until last year. It had a 706 or
>>>>> 806
>>>>> engine with glow plugs. The guy I bought it from said even at 80
>>>>> degrees
>>>>> it would not start without the glow plugs and I found out he was
>>>>> right.
>>>>> Even if it had been working hard, after 5 minutes you needed the glow
>>>>> plugs. The guy who owns the coffee shop I go to has a IH compact of
>>>>> about 35 hp. Last spring, if it was below freezing it would not start
>>>>> unless he warmed up the air cleaner with a hair dryer. It is a four
>>>>> cylinder engine of some foreign make, but although he has had it for
>>>>> 10
>>>>> years, only has 400 hours. Two weeks ago he replaced all the glow
>>>>> plugs
>>>>> and brought the old ones to the coffee shop and I tested them; all 4
>>>>> were bad. Years ago we had a 930 Case wheatland diesel and it had a
>>>>> big
>>>>> glow coil in the intake manifold. It never worked so the few times we
>>>>> run in cold weather we towed it or used a little starting fluid. It
>>>>> too
>>>>> had the warning label on it saying not to use starting fluid and the
>>>>> glow coil together. A neighbor told us a friend of his had the same
>>>>> set-up and the tractor wouldn't start with the glow coil so he heated
>>>>> it
>>>>> up and gave it a shot of starting fluid. When it sucked it in it blew
>>>>> the manifold right off the tractor. A cousin of mine (years ago) told
>>>>> me his neighbor had a IH 560 and was pulling 2 loads of hay up a hill,
>>>>> on the road, and it lugged down. He reached down and pressed the ether
>>>>> button and blew a rod out the side of the block. From what I have
>>>>> seen,
>>>>> if your engine has glow plugs and the temperature is around freezing,
>>>>> it
>>>>> is probable a good idea to us them for a few seconds at least. If it
>>>>> starts without the plugs I don't think it hurts anything, but using
>>>>> them
>>>>> when cold gives it a little boost.
>>>>> Greg Hass
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