[AT] Glow plugs

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Thu Dec 24 05:26:25 PST 2015 

You have to be kidding me Cecil!  My first truck
was a 63 GMC, aluminum cab, (cracker box) COE with a 8-71 Detroit and
a 10 speed road ranger.   I think we might be talking about
the same cab?  Mine was a twin screw.  If it is the same truck I might
have a brand new grill insert for it.  I had one,  don't know if it's still
over at the farm or if someone has walked off with it.  I sold mine
to a friend who had a small logging operation and needed a truck.
It got wrecked not long after he bought it.  I'd like to restore one of
them myself but haven't seen one around here in years.

Merry Christmas

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:59 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs

My first diesel truck was an old 63 GMC pancake cab single axle tractor
with a 6-71 Detroit and a 12 speed Spicer behind it ( 2spd input, 3 spd
trans, 2 spd output).  We hauled equipment and cattle between 2 farms
about 70 miles apart as the route required.   It served us well and I
did a lot of equipment hauling with it.   The Spicer gave out and we
tried to install a RT910 and never got the linkage right.  I sold it to
a neighbor last summer.  He wants to restore it.

Merry Christmas to all
Cecil in OKla


On 12/23/2015 8:01 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> You sure are right about them being a different animal but I'm very fond 
> of
> the old Detroits.    I have seen two of them come completely unglued with
> parts flying.  One was a 3-53 in a log skidder and it was inside a shop 
> with
> people working all around it.  They were running for cover.  It had just
> been
> rebuilt and they test fired it forgetting that they had not hooked the
> governor
> linkage back up.   The other was a 6-71 in a concrete truck.
>
> Merry Christmas to all.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>
> Detroits are another animal when it comes to gassing the intake.  I was
> on a site one time clearing an old house site where there was an old
> Hough loader with a 3-53. The operator was going to pick up an old 250
> gallon propane tank and move it.  Like the idiot he was, he tried to
> scoop up the tank in the bucket.  The tank turned over and broke off the
> liquid valve.  It started spewing and the detroit started revving up in
> about 30 seconds.  He baled off the loader.  I ran over and plugged the
> air intake with my coat.  It was a heavy Carrhart and it shut it down in
> a few seconds.   The boss asked me if I could drive the loader, I said I
> had been operating equipment since I was 6 years old.  I was about 23
> then.  Boss fired the idiot operator on site & I got a raise!.   Worked
> all Christmas vacation and weekends for the guy driving anything he had.
>     I got $12/hr whenever I had time to work for him.....   If I had
> stayed I would have had my own construction company.  Oh Well!
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
> On 12/22/2015 11:22 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Cecil I've seen that done a few times too but be careful.
>> One day I was on a logging job when the loader ran out of
>> fuel.  The 4 53 detroit wouldn't pick up the fuel and the very
>> experienced mechanic used the red rag soaked in gas trick.
>> Unfortunately he used a bit too much gas on the rag.  The
>> detroit fired and sped to an RPM way beyond what it should
>> have been turning.  We all headed for safety expecting it to come
>> apart.  It didn't but it did blow the tip off of 2 injectors in the
>> process.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 8:34 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>>
>> I have an old trick that was showed to my by a OK Nat Gas company
>> backhoe operator back in 1975.   I had rented a JD crawler that was worn
>> out, and a tree had toppled over and broke the fuel filter bracket.  I
>> had it welded and mounted it back with a new filter and could not get
>> the system complete bled.  He took an old sweatshirt rag and soaked it
>> with gas, held it over the air cleaner and I hit the starter.    The
>> engine would run on the gasoline with a little knock, until it picked up
>> fuel and started running.
>> I have used that trick many times since, even in cold weather on Perkins
>> engines without damage to the engine.
>>     I ran out of fuel in one side tank on a semi on the side of the road
>> about 1/4 mile from the T/A truckstop.   I switched to the other tank
>> but the engine would not pick up fuel.   Hiked over to the truckstop and
>> bought a gas can then back to the gas station for a gallon of gas also
>> bought a pack of red rags.  When I got back to the truck I did not want
>> to ruin my pack of rags, so I just poured gas on the air filter.  It
>> started and ran fine.  I went on in to OKC...
>> I had an 1155 Massey that had a V-8 diesel with the inj pump in the V of
>> the engine.   It was a bear to pump.  I would use the gas on a rag trick
>> to get fuel back into the pump.
>> My 7.3 powerstroke will lose pump pressure after sitting for 6 months.
>> I disconnect the glow plug and use the gas on the rag to get it to start
>> without running down the batteries.
>> I have started my 930 Case a few winters with the gas on a rag as the
>> glow plug does not work.
>> My Belarus tractors have a glow system that drips fuel into the manifold
>> and lights it off to create a small fire to warm up the air in the
>> manifold.  I have never used it as they start fine as long as the
>> batteries crank fast enough.
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/2015 12:54 AM, Greg Hass wrote:
>>> I have a 715 IH combine that I used until last year. It had a 706 or 806
>>> engine with glow plugs. The guy I bought it from said even at 80 degrees
>>> it would not start without the glow plugs and I found out he was right.
>>> Even if it had been working hard, after 5 minutes you needed the glow
>>> plugs. The guy who owns the coffee shop I go to has a IH compact of
>>> about 35 hp. Last spring, if it was below freezing it would not start
>>> unless he warmed up the air cleaner with a hair dryer. It is a four
>>> cylinder engine of some foreign make, but although he has had it for 10
>>> years, only has 400 hours. Two weeks ago he replaced all the glow plugs
>>> and brought the old ones to the coffee shop and I tested them; all 4
>>> were bad. Years ago we had a 930 Case wheatland diesel and it had a big
>>> glow coil in the intake manifold. It never worked so the few times we
>>> run in cold weather we towed it or used a little starting fluid. It too
>>> had the warning label on it saying not to use starting fluid and the
>>> glow coil together.  A neighbor told us a friend of his had the same
>>> set-up and the tractor wouldn't start with the glow coil so he heated it
>>> up and gave it a shot of starting fluid. When it sucked it in it blew
>>> the manifold right off the tractor. A  cousin of mine (years ago) told
>>> me his neighbor had a IH 560 and was pulling 2 loads of hay up a hill,
>>> on the road, and it lugged down. He reached down and pressed the ether
>>> button and blew a rod out the side of the block. From what I have seen,
>>> if your engine has glow plugs and the temperature is around freezing, it
>>> is probable  a good idea to us them for a few seconds at least. If it
>>> starts without the plugs I don't think it hurts anything, but using them
>>> when cold gives it a little boost.
>>>          Greg Hass
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