[AT] Glow plugs

Cecil R Bearden crbearden at copper.net
Fri Dec 25 17:51:26 PST 2015 

Charlie:
I found a copy of the truck as it was used here in OKC.

On 12/24/2015 7:26 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> You have to be kidding me Cecil!  My first truck
> was a 63 GMC, aluminum cab, (cracker box) COE with a 8-71 Detroit and
> a 10 speed road ranger.   I think we might be talking about
> the same cab?  Mine was a twin screw.  If it is the same truck I might
> have a brand new grill insert for it.  I had one,  don't know if it's still
> over at the farm or if someone has walked off with it.  I sold mine
> to a friend who had a small logging operation and needed a truck.
> It got wrecked not long after he bought it.  I'd like to restore one of
> them myself but haven't seen one around here in years.
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:59 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>
> My first diesel truck was an old 63 GMC pancake cab single axle tractor
> with a 6-71 Detroit and a 12 speed Spicer behind it ( 2spd input, 3 spd
> trans, 2 spd output).  We hauled equipment and cattle between 2 farms
> about 70 miles apart as the route required.   It served us well and I
> did a lot of equipment hauling with it.   The Spicer gave out and we
> tried to install a RT910 and never got the linkage right.  I sold it to
> a neighbor last summer.  He wants to restore it.
>
> Merry Christmas to all
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 12/23/2015 8:01 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> You sure are right about them being a different animal but I'm very fond
>> of
>> the old Detroits.    I have seen two of them come completely unglued with
>> parts flying.  One was a 3-53 in a log skidder and it was inside a shop
>> with
>> people working all around it.  They were running for cover.  It had just
>> been
>> rebuilt and they test fired it forgetting that they had not hooked the
>> governor
>> linkage back up.   The other was a 6-71 in a concrete truck.
>>
>> Merry Christmas to all.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>>
>> Detroits are another animal when it comes to gassing the intake.  I was
>> on a site one time clearing an old house site where there was an old
>> Hough loader with a 3-53. The operator was going to pick up an old 250
>> gallon propane tank and move it.  Like the idiot he was, he tried to
>> scoop up the tank in the bucket.  The tank turned over and broke off the
>> liquid valve.  It started spewing and the detroit started revving up in
>> about 30 seconds.  He baled off the loader.  I ran over and plugged the
>> air intake with my coat.  It was a heavy Carrhart and it shut it down in
>> a few seconds.   The boss asked me if I could drive the loader, I said I
>> had been operating equipment since I was 6 years old.  I was about 23
>> then.  Boss fired the idiot operator on site & I got a raise!.   Worked
>> all Christmas vacation and weekends for the guy driving anything he had.
>>      I got $12/hr whenever I had time to work for him.....   If I had
>> stayed I would have had my own construction company.  Oh Well!
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>> On 12/22/2015 11:22 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Cecil I've seen that done a few times too but be careful.
>>> One day I was on a logging job when the loader ran out of
>>> fuel.  The 4 53 detroit wouldn't pick up the fuel and the very
>>> experienced mechanic used the red rag soaked in gas trick.
>>> Unfortunately he used a bit too much gas on the rag.  The
>>> detroit fired and sped to an RPM way beyond what it should
>>> have been turning.  We all headed for safety expecting it to come
>>> apart.  It didn't but it did blow the tip off of 2 injectors in the
>>> process.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 8:34 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>>>
>>> I have an old trick that was showed to my by a OK Nat Gas company
>>> backhoe operator back in 1975.   I had rented a JD crawler that was worn
>>> out, and a tree had toppled over and broke the fuel filter bracket.  I
>>> had it welded and mounted it back with a new filter and could not get
>>> the system complete bled.  He took an old sweatshirt rag and soaked it
>>> with gas, held it over the air cleaner and I hit the starter.    The
>>> engine would run on the gasoline with a little knock, until it picked up
>>> fuel and started running.
>>> I have used that trick many times since, even in cold weather on Perkins
>>> engines without damage to the engine.
>>>      I ran out of fuel in one side tank on a semi on the side of the road
>>> about 1/4 mile from the T/A truckstop.   I switched to the other tank
>>> but the engine would not pick up fuel.   Hiked over to the truckstop and
>>> bought a gas can then back to the gas station for a gallon of gas also
>>> bought a pack of red rags.  When I got back to the truck I did not want
>>> to ruin my pack of rags, so I just poured gas on the air filter.  It
>>> started and ran fine.  I went on in to OKC...
>>> I had an 1155 Massey that had a V-8 diesel with the inj pump in the V of
>>> the engine.   It was a bear to pump.  I would use the gas on a rag trick
>>> to get fuel back into the pump.
>>> My 7.3 powerstroke will lose pump pressure after sitting for 6 months.
>>> I disconnect the glow plug and use the gas on the rag to get it to start
>>> without running down the batteries.
>>> I have started my 930 Case a few winters with the gas on a rag as the
>>> glow plug does not work.
>>> My Belarus tractors have a glow system that drips fuel into the manifold
>>> and lights it off to create a small fire to warm up the air in the
>>> manifold.  I have never used it as they start fine as long as the
>>> batteries crank fast enough.
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/21/2015 12:54 AM, Greg Hass wrote:
>>>> I have a 715 IH combine that I used until last year. It had a 706 or 806
>>>> engine with glow plugs. The guy I bought it from said even at 80 degrees
>>>> it would not start without the glow plugs and I found out he was right.
>>>> Even if it had been working hard, after 5 minutes you needed the glow
>>>> plugs. The guy who owns the coffee shop I go to has a IH compact of
>>>> about 35 hp. Last spring, if it was below freezing it would not start
>>>> unless he warmed up the air cleaner with a hair dryer. It is a four
>>>> cylinder engine of some foreign make, but although he has had it for 10
>>>> years, only has 400 hours. Two weeks ago he replaced all the glow plugs
>>>> and brought the old ones to the coffee shop and I tested them; all 4
>>>> were bad. Years ago we had a 930 Case wheatland diesel and it had a big
>>>> glow coil in the intake manifold. It never worked so the few times we
>>>> run in cold weather we towed it or used a little starting fluid. It too
>>>> had the warning label on it saying not to use starting fluid and the
>>>> glow coil together.  A neighbor told us a friend of his had the same
>>>> set-up and the tractor wouldn't start with the glow coil so he heated it
>>>> up and gave it a shot of starting fluid. When it sucked it in it blew
>>>> the manifold right off the tractor. A  cousin of mine (years ago) told
>>>> me his neighbor had a IH 560 and was pulling 2 loads of hay up a hill,
>>>> on the road, and it lugged down. He reached down and pressed the ether
>>>> button and blew a rod out the side of the block. From what I have seen,
>>>> if your engine has glow plugs and the temperature is around freezing, it
>>>> is probable  a good idea to us them for a few seconds at least. If it
>>>> starts without the plugs I don't think it hurts anything, but using them
>>>> when cold gives it a little boost.
>>>>           Greg Hass
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