[AT] Glow plugs
Cecil R Bearden
crbearden at copper.net
Fri Dec 25 17:40:25 PST 2015
Charlie:
We had a friend who worked for Wonder Bread in OKC. He told Dad about 3
trucks they were going to sell by sealed bid. They had a 62
Freightliner, a 63 and a 64 GMC all were single axle truck tractors.
We got the GMCs. I had driven truck tractors before, but they were
gasoline with a 5 & 2, never a real truck transmission, and never a
diesel. We went to get the trucks during lunch hour, I told the boss
I was going to be back late. The bread plant was one block off I-40 in
downtown OKC. The on ramp was the next block over and it connected to
the freeway in a curve.... The driver who normally drove the truck was
off that day and no one knew how it shifted. I started out in a
gear..which one I don't know. Hit the on ramp, got up to about 30mph
and was flat out. twisted the sleeve under the gearshift and nothing
happened. Hit the clutch and it downshifted!! Turned the sleeve back
and clutched again. It sped back up to 30 again. Minimum speed is 40, I
kept looking for something else, a lever or something to move to get
into high gear. This truck ran from OKC to Dallas.... I noticed a T
handle Near the gearshift. I think I pushed it in. nothing happened!
I clutched it and It tried to take off but the engine was really
lugging.... During all this I had to pay attention to traffic on the
freeway!! I tried downshifting the gearshift and found a gear that
worked better. I had about a 15 mile trip to a friends place to leave
the truck until after work. I figured out how to shift it on that trip.
Dad decided to take the other truck later that afternoon as he always
worried that I might know how to do something he didn't. The story he
had about learning the shift pattern even after I told him how it
shifted was even better than mine. Something about another semi driver
giving him the bird....
The 64 model had some noise in the rear end. When I opened it up I
found a broken pinion cage. I brazed the pinion cage back together and
installed a new bearing on the end of the pinion. The engine on this
truck was better, but I worried about the rear end. Dad wanted to get
his money back so I did not have time to swap rear ends. Drove the
truck to our farm down south and took it to the spring farm equipment
sale there. A big farmer bought it to pull his dozer around and wanted
me to teach his son how to drive it. I showed him how it shifted during
the 20 mile trip to his place. Would you believe that 20years later
he was still using that truck and never did anything but change the oil
in it!!!!
I built a pintle trailer that had an old truck axle at the rear and
would lay down at the front. Then took the cylinder out of a dump hoist
and some 4 inch I Beam, and a 12volt forklift pump and built a
hydraulic gin pole on the back. We would pick up the trailer and put
the pintle over the ball on the truck drawbar, then bolt a 1 inch strap
over the top of the pintle eye and the ball. There was no way it was
coming off. For10 years we used that truck hauling equipment from
Chickasha to Piedmont OK. Never was stopped! No brakes on the trailer
either.... It was safer that a lot of trucks and trailers on the road
back then....
Things sure are different now.....
Cecil in OKla
On 12/24/2015 7:26 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> You have to be kidding me Cecil! My first truck
> was a 63 GMC, aluminum cab, (cracker box) COE with a 8-71 Detroit and
> a 10 speed road ranger. I think we might be talking about
> the same cab? Mine was a twin screw. If it is the same truck I might
> have a brand new grill insert for it. I had one, don't know if it's still
> over at the farm or if someone has walked off with it. I sold mine
> to a friend who had a small logging operation and needed a truck.
> It got wrecked not long after he bought it. I'd like to restore one of
> them myself but haven't seen one around here in years.
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 10:59 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>
> My first diesel truck was an old 63 GMC pancake cab single axle tractor
> with a 6-71 Detroit and a 12 speed Spicer behind it ( 2spd input, 3 spd
> trans, 2 spd output). We hauled equipment and cattle between 2 farms
> about 70 miles apart as the route required. It served us well and I
> did a lot of equipment hauling with it. The Spicer gave out and we
> tried to install a RT910 and never got the linkage right. I sold it to
> a neighbor last summer. He wants to restore it.
>
> Merry Christmas to all
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 12/23/2015 8:01 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> You sure are right about them being a different animal but I'm very fond
>> of
>> the old Detroits. I have seen two of them come completely unglued with
>> parts flying. One was a 3-53 in a log skidder and it was inside a shop
>> with
>> people working all around it. They were running for cover. It had just
>> been
>> rebuilt and they test fired it forgetting that they had not hooked the
>> governor
>> linkage back up. The other was a 6-71 in a concrete truck.
>>
>> Merry Christmas to all.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>>
>> Detroits are another animal when it comes to gassing the intake. I was
>> on a site one time clearing an old house site where there was an old
>> Hough loader with a 3-53. The operator was going to pick up an old 250
>> gallon propane tank and move it. Like the idiot he was, he tried to
>> scoop up the tank in the bucket. The tank turned over and broke off the
>> liquid valve. It started spewing and the detroit started revving up in
>> about 30 seconds. He baled off the loader. I ran over and plugged the
>> air intake with my coat. It was a heavy Carrhart and it shut it down in
>> a few seconds. The boss asked me if I could drive the loader, I said I
>> had been operating equipment since I was 6 years old. I was about 23
>> then. Boss fired the idiot operator on site & I got a raise!. Worked
>> all Christmas vacation and weekends for the guy driving anything he had.
>> I got $12/hr whenever I had time to work for him..... If I had
>> stayed I would have had my own construction company. Oh Well!
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>> On 12/22/2015 11:22 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Cecil I've seen that done a few times too but be careful.
>>> One day I was on a logging job when the loader ran out of
>>> fuel. The 4 53 detroit wouldn't pick up the fuel and the very
>>> experienced mechanic used the red rag soaked in gas trick.
>>> Unfortunately he used a bit too much gas on the rag. The
>>> detroit fired and sped to an RPM way beyond what it should
>>> have been turning. We all headed for safety expecting it to come
>>> apart. It didn't but it did blow the tip off of 2 injectors in the
>>> process.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 8:34 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Glow plugs
>>>
>>> I have an old trick that was showed to my by a OK Nat Gas company
>>> backhoe operator back in 1975. I had rented a JD crawler that was worn
>>> out, and a tree had toppled over and broke the fuel filter bracket. I
>>> had it welded and mounted it back with a new filter and could not get
>>> the system complete bled. He took an old sweatshirt rag and soaked it
>>> with gas, held it over the air cleaner and I hit the starter. The
>>> engine would run on the gasoline with a little knock, until it picked up
>>> fuel and started running.
>>> I have used that trick many times since, even in cold weather on Perkins
>>> engines without damage to the engine.
>>> I ran out of fuel in one side tank on a semi on the side of the road
>>> about 1/4 mile from the T/A truckstop. I switched to the other tank
>>> but the engine would not pick up fuel. Hiked over to the truckstop and
>>> bought a gas can then back to the gas station for a gallon of gas also
>>> bought a pack of red rags. When I got back to the truck I did not want
>>> to ruin my pack of rags, so I just poured gas on the air filter. It
>>> started and ran fine. I went on in to OKC...
>>> I had an 1155 Massey that had a V-8 diesel with the inj pump in the V of
>>> the engine. It was a bear to pump. I would use the gas on a rag trick
>>> to get fuel back into the pump.
>>> My 7.3 powerstroke will lose pump pressure after sitting for 6 months.
>>> I disconnect the glow plug and use the gas on the rag to get it to start
>>> without running down the batteries.
>>> I have started my 930 Case a few winters with the gas on a rag as the
>>> glow plug does not work.
>>> My Belarus tractors have a glow system that drips fuel into the manifold
>>> and lights it off to create a small fire to warm up the air in the
>>> manifold. I have never used it as they start fine as long as the
>>> batteries crank fast enough.
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/21/2015 12:54 AM, Greg Hass wrote:
>>>> I have a 715 IH combine that I used until last year. It had a 706 or 806
>>>> engine with glow plugs. The guy I bought it from said even at 80 degrees
>>>> it would not start without the glow plugs and I found out he was right.
>>>> Even if it had been working hard, after 5 minutes you needed the glow
>>>> plugs. The guy who owns the coffee shop I go to has a IH compact of
>>>> about 35 hp. Last spring, if it was below freezing it would not start
>>>> unless he warmed up the air cleaner with a hair dryer. It is a four
>>>> cylinder engine of some foreign make, but although he has had it for 10
>>>> years, only has 400 hours. Two weeks ago he replaced all the glow plugs
>>>> and brought the old ones to the coffee shop and I tested them; all 4
>>>> were bad. Years ago we had a 930 Case wheatland diesel and it had a big
>>>> glow coil in the intake manifold. It never worked so the few times we
>>>> run in cold weather we towed it or used a little starting fluid. It too
>>>> had the warning label on it saying not to use starting fluid and the
>>>> glow coil together. A neighbor told us a friend of his had the same
>>>> set-up and the tractor wouldn't start with the glow coil so he heated it
>>>> up and gave it a shot of starting fluid. When it sucked it in it blew
>>>> the manifold right off the tractor. A cousin of mine (years ago) told
>>>> me his neighbor had a IH 560 and was pulling 2 loads of hay up a hill,
>>>> on the road, and it lugged down. He reached down and pressed the ether
>>>> button and blew a rod out the side of the block. From what I have seen,
>>>> if your engine has glow plugs and the temperature is around freezing, it
>>>> is probable a good idea to us them for a few seconds at least. If it
>>>> starts without the plugs I don't think it hurts anything, but using them
>>>> when cold gives it a little boost.
>>>> Greg Hass
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