[AT] Need help troubleshooting engine/compressor

Tue Aug 11 11:45:50 PDT 2015

Hmmmm, new one on me but then again I don't know if any of them
start "under load" or not.  I just know all of the ones I've dealt with
had some sort of "start" setting or button and they would not start and
spool up unless that was set.

Someone else said you might have a vacuum leak and that sounds very
possible to me if it is an engine problem.   A long time ago I had a
Mazda built Ford Courier (I think) company truck with an overhead cam
Mazda engine in it.  It was a piece of crap when I started driving it, 
probably
by no fault of the truck but because of how it had been treated.  It rattled
and shook but it never broke as long as I drove it.  I kept hoping it would
fly into a thousand pieces but it didn't.  I finally told the boss if he'd 
give
me some expense money I'd buy my own truck.  He did and that was the end of
me and the Ford Courier.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 1:39 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Need help troubleshooting engine/compressor

I have been on the phone and online with Sullair.  They have been good
about trying to help.   The engine must start under load until the
compressor reaches 40psi, then some regulation begins.  No a lot
though.  The engine operates under full load until the receiver fills
and the compressor is cut back.  So,,,,   My problem must be in the
engine.  If the electrical parts don't fix it, then I will overhaul the
carb.   It is an overhead cam, so I don't know if there is a valve
adjustment or it is hydraulic.  Mazda/Ford 4cyl engine.

Cecil

On 8/11/2015 11:43 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> strange!
>
> Maybe yours is/was automatic somehow and built into the start side of
> the ignition.  Don't know
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 11:12 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Need help troubleshooting engine/compressor
>
> Looked again.  Not one there nor is there a place for one.  Never had
> one...  Talked to previous owner who bought it new.  Never had one....
>
> Cecil
>
>
> On 8/11/2015 8:50 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>> That bypass is what allows it to start.  It should also
>> relieve the load on the compressor end.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:11 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Need help troubleshooting engine/compressor
>>
>> It has the button bypass switch to bypass the safety shutdown switches.
>> I wired around these a long time ago because I did not have enough hands
>> to operate the switches and the choke.....
>>
>> Cecil
>>
>>
>> On 8/11/2015 7:55 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> I've been around a lot of compressors after working 25+ years
>>> in industrial maintenance with a lot of sandblasting.  I've never
>>> seen a compressor that didn't have some sort of by-pass button or
>>> valve that you manually hold in to let the engine start and get
>>> up to speed.  Cecil, maybe yours is automatic and you don't have
>>> to manually hold it but it should be there.  Most of the time there
>>> is a button or a switch right beside the ignition key for that purpose.
>>> I have seen those by-pass valves fail and cause the problem you
>>> are describing.   I've seen my guys wire the linkage open to get them
>>> going.  Without seeing your compressor I wouldn't know where to tell
>>> you to begin.  We used to run gasoline powered compressors but I
>>> haven't been around anything but diesel for over 20 years.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Doug Tallman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:18 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Need help troubleshooting engine/compressor
>>>
>>> Cecil, It sounds like carburetion issues or a big vacuum leak. I'd think
>>> you would hear the hiss of a leak that big. Maybe try spraying a little
>>> carb cleaner around the manifold and see if it picks up. Doug T
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/11/2015 7:09 AM, Cecil R Bearden wrote:
>>>> Sullair 185 w/ ford/Mazda 4cyl gas engine.  Compressor always has been
>>>> cold natured.  Had to be completely warmed up before choke could be 
>>>> shut
>>>> off.  Open air line valve and engine would die without choke on at 
>>>> least
>>>> half way.  Working fine a month ago.   Now, Engine tries to start and
>>>> gets up to idle speed but compressor is loading engine and it cannot 
>>>> get
>>>> up to operating speed.  If compressor could be disconnected from 
>>>> engine,
>>>> it would get up to operating speed. Have replaced fuel pump, and plug
>>>> wires.  Spark plug had some surface carbon but not really gunked up.
>>>> took air intake elbow off of compressor and tried to cut off air intake
>>>> to allow engine to start, but it nearly sucked my hand into the pipe.
>>>> In the past distributor,ignition control box, and coil have been
>>>> replaced.  Have worked on engines gas, propane and diesel for 50 years
>>>> and this one has me beat......  This is the reason I like Diesel!!!
>>>>
>>>> I use this for sandblasting and blowing off the round baler.  Right 
>>>> now,
>>>> the baler has some hay lodged between the belts and the rollers on the
>>>> back side and it has the baler bound up.  The only way to get this out
>>>> is to use a lot of high pressure air and cut the hay out with the air.
>>>> Or, cut the belts pull them out with the loader and re-splice.  I did
>>>> not blow off the baler last time i used it, it was trying to rain after
>>>> I put the new bearing in that was causing the fires.  The hay builds up
>>>> in the back above the top of the bale chamber, and causes the belts to
>>>> stick.  Really dry hay is the worst problem...
>>>>
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