[AT] Tire slipping on rim

Fri Apr 3 00:26:13 PDT 2015

You know Cecil,  you might have solved your problem yourself.
Next time you pull them down, if you have time, coat them with
a good coat of a high quality epoxy mastic paint, something like
Sherwin Williams Macro-Poxy, which is a high build, chemical
resistant epoxy.  It gets really hard and if you get the rims cleaned
up well before you apply it will bond tight to the steel.  That
additional thickness of material on the rim might be enough to
get a hold to the tire.  If you do it in 2 or 3 coats you can easily
build that epoxy to about 15 mils without it getting so thick it
wants to chip off.

It's interesting what Firestone told you about filling the tubeless tires.
I never knew they recommended filling a tire with fluid to that level.
Leaves very little room for an air cap.   Last time I saw any info on
it I was thinking you weren't supposed to fill as high as the top of the
rim.  Interesting to know they have changed their thinking on that.  Or
maybe it's just my memory that has changed.  CRS disease maybe.

I wonder if putting pure nitrogen in the tires would help with the rusting.
I say pure nitrogen because the air we breath is about 75% nitrogen anyway.

I share your ear ringing problem.  I really think it's the turbo chargers on
engines that do the damage.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 11:51 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Tire slipping on rim

Dave:
As I think they will tell me to go pee up a wet rope, but in a nice way,
I decided to give them a piece of my mind by email.  I have a problem
with talking over the phone with anyone who has an accent other than my
own.  I have difficulty understanding the words.  It is a combination of
getting old, sleeping for the last 20 years with a CPAP pressurizing my
eardrums, and spending 200 hours each summer on a MF 50 3 cyl diesel
tractor.  I loved the tractor, but my ears rung until I went to bed
every night, now that I am 61 yrs old, they ring constantly.  I have
become used to it , it keeps the voices from bothering me.!! ( the ones
that are telling me where auction sales are! )
  If you ever have the opportunity to discuss a problem with someone
from India, they will tell you what you want to hear just to avoid
confrontation.  Their motto at the end of the email is in my estimation
a line of B.S.   If they offer any kind of assistance, it will certainly
amaze me.
On the other hand, when I talked to the Firestone engineer, he offered a
solution, and said this had happened in the 80's when tires were getting
more torque loads.  I also mentioned welding on the bead surface, and he
advised against it as it would ruin the temper in the rim and then the
bead  might bend when loaded. Something I had not thought of.  In the
future, if I can find the money, I will probably use Firestone USA made
tires, or Akuret, the Russian ones.  Both are heavier, and the Russian
tires are really beefier (especially at the bead) than the Firestone.
These Speedway tires seemed a little thin at the bead.  I also used bead
lubricant, whick I had not used on tractor tires in all the years I
mounted them.   I don't believe these rims would work as tubeless and
hold methanol as When one set outside for a few months, it rusted
through in one small spot about 1/4 in dia.  I repaired that, and
smoothed it over.    If I was to use it tubeless and loaded, I would
epoxy coat the rim.  However, I had some help available at the time I
mounted the tires, and did not want to wait a week for epoxy paint to
dry.  That help does not come around any more, it seems he always has
something pressing to do.   If you do not know how to make the tire
weight work for you when mounting, you will work yourself to death.  The
only way an old Fart with a broken back like myself can do it is to let
the weight of the tire do the work, and use the loader whenever
possible.  I still can mount one by myself in an hour.   Just FYI
Firestone says that if you keep the top of the rim covered in the
ballast liquid when running tubeless, the rim will not rust. However,
when you expost that rim to the air, it will start rusting as did mine.

I ramble

Cecil in OKla

On 4/2/2015 7:58 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Hi Cecil, Sorry I was not more clear. I should have said "CALL THEM"! 
> Really sorry I did not make it more clear. I will try harder in the 
> future. I know that some have trouble reading what I type!
> Dave
>
> On Apr 2, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Cecil R Bearden wrote:
>
>> Here is the reply to my email Dave!!
>> We will revert to you by next week
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Hardeep
>>
>> Chief Executive- Export
>>
>> Speedways Rubber Company
>>
>> India
>>
>> Tel +91 181 2421457
>>
>> Fax +91 181 2420031
>>
>> http://www.speedwaystyres.com <http://www.speedwaystyres.com/>
>>
>>
>> A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not
>> dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption in
>> our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider in our
>> business. He is part of it. We are not doing him a favor by serving him.
>> He is doing us a favor by giving us an opportunity to do so (Mahatma 
>> Gandhi)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/2/2015 12:47 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>> If I were you, Cecil, I would call the tire manufacturer and ask them 
>>> what to do. You MAY be surprised by their answer!
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 9:32 AM, Cecil R Bearden wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought 2 ea 18.4 x 38 Speedway R1 rear tractor tires from Agri-Tech
>>>> imports about 2 years ago.  I mounted them in August 2014.  They were
>>>> used on my  White 2-105 tractor pulling a John Deere 16-8 grain drill.
>>>> This load does not require very much traction force.  I have replaced 3
>>>> tubes in one tire and 2 on the other for a total of 5 tubes.  The
>>>> replacement was required due to the rim slipping in the tire.  I now
>>>> have another tire going flat and the tube valve appears to be pulled 
>>>> out
>>>> of the tube.
>>>>
>>>>   At $100 per tube these tires are getting to be very expensive, as i
>>>> have now accrued a $600 tube expense. In addition to the 30 gallons of
>>>> Methanol at $3.25/gallon for antifreeze.
>>>>
>>>> I know there is no way that I can get a replacement from the
>>>> manufacturer as they will find 25 ways to get out of replacing the
>>>> tires.    I have thought of using   rim screws to hold the tire in
>>>> place.  Has anyone used these in a tube type tire?
>>>>
>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>
>>>>
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