[AT] LED lights

Steve Offiler soffiler at gmail.com
Sun Nov 9 16:28:37 PST 2014 

I know.  No news flash here Charlie.  

SO

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> On Nov 9, 2014, at 10:19 AM, "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> News flash Steve.  CO2 is what makes plants grow.  Trees and other plants
> convert it to O2.  We don't want to be here without CO2.  Man made 
> production
> of CO2 is statistically insignificant compared to what is produced 
> naturally.
> If CO2 was really a problem government could make much better use of their
> time learning how to build catalytic converters for volcanoes and bears. 
> The
> result would be about the same either way.
> 
> Charlie
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Steve Offiler
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 9:28 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
> 
> Lighting consumes a large fraction of the total electrical power generated. 
> CFL's use significantly less power.  They are a cheap way to remove load 
> from power plants.  They have electronic ballast circuits which are far 
> cheaper to mfg in China.  No one would buy them if they cost too much. 
> Pretty simple economics.  The government is trying to burn less coal and put 
> less CO2 in the air and therefore supports more efficient lighting.
> 
> SO
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 9:06 PM, "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It was a rhetorical question Steve.  My point is that
>> waste heat from incandescent light bulbs is not necessarily
>> a bad thing.  The heat is used even in your house in every season
>> but summer and even then it helps to keep humidity at bay.
>> The simple truth is that there was money to be made by manufacturing
>> CFL's in China but no one would buy them until the government outlawed
>> incandescent bulbs.  An act which shut down a plant in Goldsboro, NC and
>> another one in Winchester, VA that I happen to know of and put hundreds
>> of US citizens out of work just so they could sell CFL's that are 
>> dangerous
>> and in some jurisdictions require a hazmat crew to clean up if they break.
>> 
>> Charlie
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Stephen Offiler
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:43 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>> 
>> Yes.
>> 
>> SO
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:17 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I refuse to use the CFL bulbs but would have no problem with the LED's 
>>> and
>>> will switch to them
>>> as needed.  However, I do have one question.  When all of the 
>>> incandescent
>>> bulbs are gone what
>>> are we going to use to keep chicks warm in the brooder, dogs warm in the
>>> dog
>>> house on cold nights
>>> and the water pump from freezing up?  Electric resistance heaters???????
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 2:46 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Cc: DDSS
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>>> 
>>> My experience is that the total cost (original purchase plus cost of
>>> power)
>>> is already low enough to make the investment in LED for lighting
>>> worthwhile.
>>> Single wattage bulbs that are a direct replacement for the incandescent
>>> ones
>>> we are used to are already available for less than $7 each, with an
>>> expected
>>> life of 28 years.  They are dimmable and can be intermixed with existing
>>> tungsten bulbs with no noticeable changes; that is, they operate on
>>> dimmers
>>> in exactly the same way so that you can not tell which style of bulb is 
>>> in
>>> multiple bulb fixtures.  IMHO, they work better and look better than any
>>> of
>>> the CFL bulbs.  And, they last several time longer than CFL's.  Now that
>>> 3-way LED bulbs are also available, that means that there are direct
>>> "screw-in" replacements for those existing floor and table lamps that we
>>> all
>>> have in our homes.  Three-way bulbs are still a bit pricey, but they work
>>> satisfactorily and I have had no problems with them.  There is no direct
>>> conversion from !
>>> the old power consumption scheme we are used to (wattage) into the Lumens
>>> method that is being used for LED's, but a conversion for the old and new
>>> methods is printed on the package of each LED bulb you buy, and a few
>>> minutes study in the store will let you figure out whether a particular
>>> bulb
>>> is going to be "the right size" for your particular application.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>> The cost of 110-volt LED's is still pretty high and there doesn't seem
>>>> to
>>>> be
>>>> much available on high-output, at least that I could find.
>>>> 
>>>> I know they use 12-volt lights on boats and vehicles but am wondering
>>>> why
>>>> I
>>>> could not do the same in our barn.
>>>> 
>>>> There are quite a few 110v power supplies that output 12-volts DC.   saw
>>>> one
>>>> that might work on Amazon...
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Audiotek-Output-Mobile-Supply-AT-PS36/dp/B00DERSXWI/ref=sr_1_94?ie=UTF8&qid=1415469220&sr=8-94&keywords=12volt+power+supply
>>>> LED's draw about 3 watts each, so they really don't take a lot to power
>>>> them.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone done this?  I am not sure how much line loss there is with DC
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
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