[AT] LED lights

Wed Nov 12 05:01:55 PST 2014

Fluorescents don't like cold, and depending on how cold, they can take
something on the order of minutes to come up to full brightness.  Some
fluorescents, using older ballast technology, will never start at all.
LED's love cold, the colder the better and brighter.  LED's dim as they
heat up.  Witness the fact that heat-sinking of LED's is a big deal.  Take
a close look at some of the newest, high-output LED bulbs for 110V
applications.  You'll see a pretty fancy finned thing.  Heat sink.

SO

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:

> I just finished replacing all of our motion detector fixtures around the
> house with LED fixtures.  Amazing, it's now about 20 here and I turned one
> on, and it seemed to come on at full brightness.
>
> Absolutely incredible, 3 tiny led's in each of the 2 adjustable lamps and
> it
> is almost blinding. It's such a stark white. I would not want to stare at
> one for very long.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Offiler
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:21 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>
> I agree on warm-up.  LED are brightest when they are cool.  They dim,
> slowly, typically not perceptibly, as they warm up.  This is universally
> true for lighting-class LED's.  The world would love to discover an LED
> that
> gets brighter as it warms.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 10, 2014, at 6:35 PM, "Paul Waugh" <paul at plwaugh.com> wrote:
> >
> > I like your common sense. Some people go ballistic. I replaced all my
> > bulbs
> > with CFL 3 years ago and have had only one failure. I replaced 3 of those
> > with LED (CFL still working but took them out) and love them. I don't
> find
> > a
> > problem with LED "warming" up, they are pretty darn quick after being
> used
> > to the CFL. My 2 cents.
> > Paul
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of David Bruce
> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 5:20 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
> >
> > In my research it is very hard to compare subsidies from one part of the
> > economy to another and with such I find it very difficult to find the
> > "truth". We know that alternative energy has been quite heavily
> subsidized
> > but in the case of more traditional utilities I'm not sure we know the
> > scope
> > for better or worse. I get my electrical through a rural co-op which I'm
> > sure has been subsidized over the years. Same goes for my telephone co-op
> > which also supplies cable TV and internet. Fiber to the home was put into
> > place here several years ago and with our population density I'm sure
> that
> > was subsidized.
> >
> > I see potentially good and potentially bad but I dislike banning of
> > incandescent bulbs. On the other hand I have been quite happy with CFL
> > bulbs
> > and I think I will like the transition to LED bulbs for those heavy use
> > applications. Places where I rarely turn on the light like in my attic
> > incandescent bulbs are the most cost efficient as their total electrical
> > consumption is minimal due to lack of use.
> >
> > My view is purely pragmatic.
> >
> > David
> > NW NC
> >
> >> On 11/9/2014 10:13 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> >> Take away the government subsidy and it can not stand on it's own.
>  Shut
> >> down the
> >> grid and it's no good without very expensive and failure prone battery
> >> banks.
> >> For years I caught hell from folks because I was the recipient of so
> >> called subsidies to tobacco producers.  Folks still raise a fuss about
> >> various farm subsidies.
> >> How is that
> >> any different than solar power subsidies?
> >>
> >> I'm not saying folks shouldn't take advantage of grid tied systems if
> >> it seems like a good gamble to them.  I'm just saying with the current
> >> state of the art it's a scam that is being paid for by other tax
> >> payers.  In this state t
> >>
> >> NO alternative power system (solar, wind, tide water, etc. ) can work
> >> without a nuke or carbon fired generator idling in the background to
> >> take the demand load when the alternative system doesn't work (no sun,
> >> wind not blowing, etc.)
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: k7jdj at aol.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 2:04 PM
> >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
> >>
> >> Charlie,
> >>
> >> The system is grid tied and will pay for itself in 7 years, and yes it
> >> is highly Government subsidized. The solar panels have an expected
> >> life of 35 years. My point was there are systems that are not using
> >> batteries.  It delivers several KW to the home or grid if enough power
> is
> > being generated.
> >> The owner will never pay one cent for electric power.  The system
> >> monitors how much power is supplied to the grid and how much power his
> > home uses.
> >> Even if his system doesn't generate as much power as he uses, they pay
> >> so much more for what he does produce, it offsets the difference.
> >> With all the Government subsidies he will hopefully come out ahead for
> >> a very expensive investment.  Power companies are looking for ways to
> >> not have to increase their investment in more power generation.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >> Renton, WA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 9:20 am
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
> >>
> >>
> >> Gary, that is impossible unless they are just running a dedicated
> >> light or device in daylight hours or "grid tied" where they are
> >> putting power into and taking it out of the grid.
> >> In order for it to be completely off grid and thus self supporting it
> >> HAS to have some sort of storage
> >> battery for the current.   Yes I know there are panels that will operate
> > in
> >> low light but they are also
> >> very limited on output in those conditions.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: k7jdj at aol.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:46 AM
> >> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
> >>
> >> Lot of solar systems now don not use storage batteries.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >> Renton, WA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> >> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> >> Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 7:20 am
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
> >>
> >>
> >> Take away the government subsidies on CFL's and solar and see what
> > happens.
> >> I'm all in favor of solar but the current equipment on the market will
> >> not pay for it's self in energy savings before the equipment is worn
> >> out (include the storage batteries in that equation)
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jason
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 11:11 PM
> >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; dejoodster at gmail.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
> >>
> >> Keeping the brooder warm reason for incandescent bulbs only applies to
> >> probably 0.02% of the population these days, if that.  Just think, if
> >> we keep cutting our electric use plus with solar getting cheaper, a
> >> lot of homes and businesses could become pretty energy independent.
> >> Just like the old days before power lines were run everywhere.
> >>
> >>
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