[AT] LED lights

Tue Nov 11 09:25:06 PST 2014

I just finished replacing all of our motion detector fixtures around the 
house with LED fixtures.  Amazing, it's now about 20 here and I turned one 
on, and it seemed to come on at full brightness.

Absolutely incredible, 3 tiny led's in each of the 2 adjustable lamps and it 
is almost blinding. It's such a stark white. I would not want to stare at 
one for very long.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Offiler
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:21 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights

I agree on warm-up.  LED are brightest when they are cool.  They dim, 
slowly, typically not perceptibly, as they warm up.  This is universally 
true for lighting-class LED's.  The world would love to discover an LED that 
gets brighter as it warms.

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> On Nov 10, 2014, at 6:35 PM, "Paul Waugh" <paul at plwaugh.com> wrote:
>
> I like your common sense. Some people go ballistic. I replaced all my 
> bulbs
> with CFL 3 years ago and have had only one failure. I replaced 3 of those
> with LED (CFL still working but took them out) and love them. I don't find 
> a
> problem with LED "warming" up, they are pretty darn quick after being used
> to the CFL. My 2 cents.
> Paul
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of David Bruce
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 5:20 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>
> In my research it is very hard to compare subsidies from one part of the
> economy to another and with such I find it very difficult to find the
> "truth". We know that alternative energy has been quite heavily subsidized
> but in the case of more traditional utilities I'm not sure we know the 
> scope
> for better or worse. I get my electrical through a rural co-op which I'm
> sure has been subsidized over the years. Same goes for my telephone co-op
> which also supplies cable TV and internet. Fiber to the home was put into
> place here several years ago and with our population density I'm sure that
> was subsidized.
>
> I see potentially good and potentially bad but I dislike banning of
> incandescent bulbs. On the other hand I have been quite happy with CFL 
> bulbs
> and I think I will like the transition to LED bulbs for those heavy use
> applications. Places where I rarely turn on the light like in my attic
> incandescent bulbs are the most cost efficient as their total electrical
> consumption is minimal due to lack of use.
>
> My view is purely pragmatic.
>
> David
> NW NC
>
>> On 11/9/2014 10:13 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Take away the government subsidy and it can not stand on it's own.   Shut
>> down the
>> grid and it's no good without very expensive and failure prone battery
>> banks.
>> For years I caught hell from folks because I was the recipient of so
>> called subsidies to tobacco producers.  Folks still raise a fuss about
>> various farm subsidies.
>> How is that
>> any different than solar power subsidies?
>>
>> I'm not saying folks shouldn't take advantage of grid tied systems if
>> it seems like a good gamble to them.  I'm just saying with the current
>> state of the art it's a scam that is being paid for by other tax
>> payers.  In this state t
>>
>> NO alternative power system (solar, wind, tide water, etc. ) can work
>> without a nuke or carbon fired generator idling in the background to
>> take the demand load when the alternative system doesn't work (no sun,
>> wind not blowing, etc.)
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: k7jdj at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 2:04 PM
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>>
>> Charlie,
>>
>> The system is grid tied and will pay for itself in 7 years, and yes it
>> is highly Government subsidized. The solar panels have an expected
>> life of 35 years. My point was there are systems that are not using
>> batteries.  It delivers several KW to the home or grid if enough power is
> being generated.
>> The owner will never pay one cent for electric power.  The system
>> monitors how much power is supplied to the grid and how much power his
> home uses.
>> Even if his system doesn't generate as much power as he uses, they pay
>> so much more for what he does produce, it offsets the difference.
>> With all the Government subsidies he will hopefully come out ahead for
>> a very expensive investment.  Power companies are looking for ways to
>> not have to increase their investment in more power generation.
>>
>> Gary
>> Renton, WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 9:20 am
>> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>>
>>
>> Gary, that is impossible unless they are just running a dedicated
>> light or device in daylight hours or "grid tied" where they are
>> putting power into and taking it out of the grid.
>> In order for it to be completely off grid and thus self supporting it
>> HAS to have some sort of storage
>> battery for the current.   Yes I know there are panels that will operate
> in
>> low light but they are also
>> very limited on output in those conditions.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: k7jdj at aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2014 11:46 AM
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>>
>> Lot of solar systems now don not use storage batteries.
>>
>> Gary
>> Renton, WA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Nov 9, 2014 7:20 am
>> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>>
>>
>> Take away the government subsidies on CFL's and solar and see what
> happens.
>> I'm all in favor of solar but the current equipment on the market will
>> not pay for it's self in energy savings before the equipment is worn
>> out (include the storage batteries in that equation)
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jason
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 11:11 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group ; dejoodster at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>>
>> Keeping the brooder warm reason for incandescent bulbs only applies to
>> probably 0.02% of the population these days, if that.  Just think, if
>> we keep cutting our electric use plus with solar getting cheaper, a
>> lot of homes and businesses could become pretty energy independent.
>> Just like the old days before power lines were run everywhere.
>>
>>
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