[AT] LED lights

[charlie hill]

News flash Steve.  CO2 is what makes plants grow.  Trees and other plants
convert it to O2.  We don't want to be here without CO2.  Man made 
production
of CO2 is statistically insignificant compared to what is produced 
naturally.
If CO2 was really a problem government could make much better use of their
time learning how to build catalytic converters for volcanoes and bears. 
The
result would be about the same either way.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Offiler
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 9:28 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights

Lighting consumes a large fraction of the total electrical power generated. 
CFL's use significantly less power.  They are a cheap way to remove load 
from power plants.  They have electronic ballast circuits which are far 
cheaper to mfg in China.  No one would buy them if they cost too much. 
Pretty simple economics.  The government is trying to burn less coal and put 
less CO2 in the air and therefore supports more efficient lighting.

SO

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> On Nov 8, 2014, at 9:06 PM, "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> It was a rhetorical question Steve.  My point is that
> waste heat from incandescent light bulbs is not necessarily
> a bad thing.  The heat is used even in your house in every season
> but summer and even then it helps to keep humidity at bay.
> The simple truth is that there was money to be made by manufacturing
> CFL's in China but no one would buy them until the government outlawed
> incandescent bulbs.  An act which shut down a plant in Goldsboro, NC and
> another one in Winchester, VA that I happen to know of and put hundreds
> of US citizens out of work just so they could sell CFL's that are 
> dangerous
> and in some jurisdictions require a hazmat crew to clean up if they break.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Stephen Offiler
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:43 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>
> Yes.
>
> SO
>
> On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 8:17 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I refuse to use the CFL bulbs but would have no problem with the LED's 
>> and
>> will switch to them
>> as needed.  However, I do have one question.  When all of the 
>> incandescent
>> bulbs are gone what
>> are we going to use to keep chicks warm in the brooder, dogs warm in the
>> dog
>> house on cold nights
>> and the water pump from freezing up?  Electric resistance heaters???????
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2014 2:46 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Cc: DDSS
>> Subject: Re: [AT] LED lights
>>
>> My experience is that the total cost (original purchase plus cost of
>> power)
>> is already low enough to make the investment in LED for lighting
>> worthwhile.
>> Single wattage bulbs that are a direct replacement for the incandescent
>> ones
>> we are used to are already available for less than $7 each, with an
>> expected
>> life of 28 years.  They are dimmable and can be intermixed with existing
>> tungsten bulbs with no noticeable changes; that is, they operate on
>> dimmers
>> in exactly the same way so that you can not tell which style of bulb is 
>> in
>> multiple bulb fixtures.  IMHO, they work better and look better than any
>> of
>> the CFL bulbs.  And, they last several time longer than CFL's.  Now that
>> 3-way LED bulbs are also available, that means that there are direct
>> "screw-in" replacements for those existing floor and table lamps that we
>> all
>> have in our homes.  Three-way bulbs are still a bit pricey, but they work
>> satisfactorily and I have had no problems with them.  There is no direct
>> conversion from !
>> the old power consumption scheme we are used to (wattage) into the Lumens
>> method that is being used for LED's, but a conversion for the old and new
>> methods is printed on the package of each LED bulb you buy, and a few
>> minutes study in the store will let you figure out whether a particular
>> bulb
>> is going to be "the right size" for your particular application.
>>
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>> The cost of 110-volt LED's is still pretty high and there doesn't seem
>>> to
>>> be
>>> much available on high-output, at least that I could find.
>>>
>>> I know they use 12-volt lights on boats and vehicles but am wondering
>>> why
>>> I
>>> could not do the same in our barn.
>>>
>>> There are quite a few 110v power supplies that output 12-volts DC.   saw
>>> one
>>> that might work on Amazon...
>> http://www.amazon.com/Audiotek-Output-Mobile-Supply-AT-PS36/dp/B00DERSXWI/ref=sr_1_94?ie=UTF8&qid=1415469220&sr=8-94&keywords=12volt+power+supply
>>> LED's draw about 3 watts each, so they really don't take a lot to power
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Has anyone done this?  I am not sure how much line loss there is with DC
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
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