[AT] OT - Types of gravel

Joe Hazewinkel jahaze at aol.com
Fri Nov 7 15:31:54 PST 2014


Big Rapids

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On Nov 7, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:

I'm in southwest Michigan Joe, in Hartland, which is near Howell. Where 
are you?

Thanks,
Mike M

> On 11/7/2014 4:20 PM, Joe Hazewinkel wrote:
> If you wanted to go that route let me know, I have access to all the free chips you could want.  However, most of the time the chips would be much coarser than you might want.  It will also include pine needles, and ground up leaves.  I forget where you are at Mike, but I manage the tree crews for our utility here in Michigan.
> 
> Enjoy, Joe
> 
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> On Nov 7, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Hercules Engines <kkinney at herculesengines.com> wrote:
> 
> Get with the company that cleans utility easements. They usually will usually give you truck loads of shredded trees and limbs is they are working in your area. Also tree trimmers.
> Keith
> 
> Keith Kinney
> Kinney Realty & Development
> Cell 812-454-6757
> Keith at kinney-realty.com
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Joe Hazewinkel <jahaze at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike,
>> 
>> You can get shredded bark though, we've got a ton of that here in the mitten state.  Just about any lumber mill will have some.  I wonder if oak bark would hold up well?
>> 
>> Enjoy, Joe
>> 
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>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Mike <meulenms at gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dean, I didn't discount Hog Fuel, we just don't have it here in this
>> part of Michigan. :)
>> 
>> Mike M
>> 
>>> On 11/7/2014 1:00 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>>> Charlie,
>>> 
>>>> From what I have read the Term "Hog Fuel" probably got its name from a nickname of the grinding
>>> machine used to create it, a "hammer hog." The word for chopped (hacked) in Norwegian is hogge (hogde
>>> past tense); chopped wood has been hogde. Hogde fuel likely morphed into hogged fuel invented machine
>>> that was used to make it. I'm sure that the content varies by area and is composed of whatever
>>> inexpensive scrap wood product is available locally.  I'm not sure that non-cedar based Hog Fuel would
>>> be appropriate as I would think it would deteriorate too fast and not have the plant killing
>>> properties that cedar has.  All I know is it completely transformed the paddock for my wife's horses
>>> from a muddy mess to a nice dry and somewhat soft and cushioned surface for the horses hoofs. She no
>>> longer had to worry about hoof rot. WA state is a big logging and wood products area, even though all
>>> the first growth is gone. The nice thing about wood is it is a renewable resource.  I would hate to
>>> guess how many area of trees are harvested here every year and then transplanted to be harvested again
>>> many years out.  Cedar is a very plentiful tree here.
>>> 
>>> Dean VP
>>> Snohomish, WA
>>> 
>>> The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave
>>> unsaid  the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>> charlie hill
>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 3:29 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Types of gravel
>>> 
>>> Dean,  I suspect your "hog fuel" is high in cedar content just because you
>>> have a lot of cedar
>>> in your area that is used by the timber industry.  Hog fuel here is chipped
>>> up hard wood and pine
>>> and it consists of bark, small limbs and other dirty chips that can't be
>>> used to make paper.
>>> Therefore it is burned for fuel to power the boiler at the paper mill or at
>>> our local wood energy plant.
>>> Based on that I'm thinking "hog fuel" is just a generic name for waste chips
>>> and wood by products that
>>> generally get burned.  It might be high in cedar depending on it's location.
>>> 
>>> Charlie
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dean VP
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:09 PM
>>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Types of gravel
>>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> 
>>> We use a thing called "Hog Fuel" in our wet paddocks out here in the very
>>> wet NW part of WA.  Don't
>>> know if that is appropriate for your local area.  Hog Fuel is quite course
>>> ground up Cedar wood and
>>> Bark used for fuel.  When applied fairly thick, several inches deep, it keep
>>> the horses hoofs dry and
>>> is also easy on their hoofs.  It used to be fairly inexpensive hear because
>>> it was not allowed to be
>>> used for burning due to pollution issues. Now that it is allowed to be
>>> burned as a fuel it has become
>>> much more expensive.  Courser than the  ground cedar bark for planting beds.
>>> Cedar bark and Hog fuel
>>> is so acidic nothing grows in it so it is a good ground cover.   May not
>>> even be available in your
>>> area.
>>> 
>>> Dean VP
>>> Snohomish, WA
>>> 
>>> The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right
>>> time, but also to leave
>>> unsaid  the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Mike
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 2:14 PM
>>> To: ATIS
>>> Subject: [AT] OT - Types of gravel
>>> 
>>> Hi All, we have a horse paddock that is about 75' x 75'. It is currently
>>> filled with a mixture of manure and clay about a foot deep. I'm going to
>>> scrape it clean, and want to replace it with some sort of gravel. The
>>> choices seem endless depending who I talk to. What I'm looking for is a
>>> type of mixture that has smooth rather than crushed stone, with a lot of
>>> fines to help lock it together. Now the exact product I'm looking for
>>> many not exist, but any help getting me close would be greatly
>>> appreciated. Just a further note, our paddock has a slight grade to it,
>>> maybe 2-1/2 to 3 Ft in 75 ft.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help,
>>> Mike M
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