[AT] NH vs JD baler

Fri May 30 06:49:44 PDT 2014

I need to add to an earlier post about banana shaped bales.  If you ever 
are crazy enough to buy one of those in-line balers, get ready for those 
curved bales.  I had the misfortune to be talked into one of those 
bastard Hesston balers by a good friend and tractor mechanic.  It was a 
twine tie also. I never baled a straight bale with it.  Livingston told 
me it had been through the shop.  Probably changed one bolt in the whole 
baler!!  My friend thought the chain was worn which would cause some 
timing issues.  The new chain was over $800.  In light hay, the hay 
would fall out when the stuffer made the return stroke.  I finally sold 
it at the sale for $4000 and only lost $1000.  It would have taken 
another $2500 to make it bale good in a heavy windrow.    Also, I could 
never get used to a small square baler that ran behind me.  I needed it 
to be at the side!!!!   I hope I never see another inline square baler 
again...

Cecil in OKla

On 5/29/2014 9:24 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Mike there are a lot of "horsey girls" that are very savvy
> but some of them have a logic I don't understand.  I don't ride
> either although I used to spend a lot of time around the critters.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:54 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] NH vs JD baler
>
> Hi Charlie,
> My wife and daughter are "horsey girls", and my wife will give our hay
> guy an earful if there are too many light bales. Myself, I don't get
> into the hobby, why you would put yourself on a 1200# animal with a
> "flight" mentality is beyond me. I'll stick to my 4 wheeler.
>
> Mike M
>
>
> On 5/29/2014 2:48 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> The horse people or as I often affectionately call them "the horsey girls"
>> have strange ways of looking at things.  A lady told me once she would
>> rather pay more money for a lighter bale, for example $5 for a 30 lb bale
>> rather than 4 bucks for a 50 lb bale because she could handle it so much
>> easier.  I don't think the logic ever kicked in that she was paying double
>> the price per pound.  She probably never considered that the horse was
>> getting less hay either.  go figure.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Grant Brians
>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:26 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] NH vs JD baler
>>
>> New Holland balers make the prettiest bales unless they are completely
>> worn
>> out. The modern two twine balers are high capacity and use a bit more
>> horsepower than the older ones, but are just as reliable. Here in
>> California
>> we used to have NO two twine balers, but with the rise of the horse set
>> and
>> feed stores wanting tiny weight bales to cater to them now they are here.
>>        My advice as a result would be to watch for a newer unit on the used
>> market and get it....
>>               Grant Brians
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On Behalf Of Cecil R
>> Bearden
>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:09 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] NH vs JD baler
>>
>>
>> Short hay will give banana shaped bales.  If the spring loaded arm of
>> the stuffer forks is in the lowest hole, it should take care of the
>> problem.  In a spongy crop, the hay will spring back out of the chamber
>> before the plunger has a chance to close the chamber opening..  A dull
>> knife or out of adjustment knife will give the same result.  If the
>> plunger has roller bearings on the slide, check them for wear.  I have
>> replaced bearings with Nylon to save money.  I cannot help with the
>> knotter, I have never worked with a twine knotter.  I just bought a 430
>> IHC baler with a twine knotter, but have not had the chance to try it
>> out.  I have used wire in all my 50 years of farming..   My 440 IHC has
>> a wire cutter problem and CIH only wants $1000.00 for the 4 discs I need
>> on the cutters..
>>
>> I bale about 500 bales  every year with a 24W JD my neighbor has. His
>> tractor is worn out and I pull it with my Belarus.  It has never been
>> rained on.   It has 4 pickup bands missing and is worn out beyond
>> description.  However, I adjusted the knife and replaced a couple of
>> bushings with nylon and it only missed one bale in 300.  We were baling
>> short prairie hay.  I really love that baler, It is so simple.  The only
>> problem is the narrow pickup.  I run it at about 50 strokes a minute and
>> it works fine.    Until I adjusted the knife, It would shear a pin about
>> every 30 bales.
>>
>> In the fall of 2009 I  had about 40 acres of bermuda hay in windrows.  I
>> ran an ad on Craigslist for $5/bale and gave the location  that morning
>> at 6am.  I borrowed the baler and started baling about 8am.  At 5pm, I
>> had a flat on the tractor.  I had people fighting over  bales, I stated
>> first come first served, and they picked it up in the field.  I just
>> told them if you want to fight, go out in the road!!!    At the end of
>> the day I had $1200 cash in my pocket and checks for another $1500.
>>
>> I traded for my IHC 440 and baled another 500 bales of prairie hay.  I
>> bought a NH hay stacker and then the economy went bust and no one wanted
>> square bales.  The horse enthusiasts are what drives the small bales
>> here......
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/26/2014 6:36 AM, jtchall at nc.rr.com wrote:
>>> Another season of baling has begun with my extremely worn Super 66 New
>>> Holland baler. At the end of last year I had a small breakdown and
>>> believe
>>> the wadboard may be a little out of time, either that or I need to adjust
>>> it more. Long story short the baler has always had a tendency to make
>>> banana shaped bales and the knot will sometimes fail on one side. I read,
>>> researched, printed out, adjusted, filed, polished and lubricated
>>> practically everything on this baler----I think it is just plain worn
>>> out—we won’t talk about all the new parts I’ve installed in recent years
>>> either. No hard feelings against it, it was worn out when I got it 20
>>> years ago and I’ve run thousands of bales through it.
>>>
>>> Looking at getting something a little more reliable and hopefully larger.
>>> Looking at a Deere (either 14T or 24T) or a 2xx series New Holland.
>>> Opinions?
>>>
>>> If I had it to do over that great big 3xx series NH hayliner we had would
>>> have never been sold at auction.
>>>
>>> John Hall
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