[AT] OT - Windows XP

Dean VP deanvp at att.net
Thu Mar 20 19:28:47 PDT 2014 

Dave,

That may be what was recorded as votes but that isn't the number of actual
and distinct voters.

Dean VP
Apache Junction, AZ

" . . . The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the
blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure . . . " Jefferson


-----Original Message-----
From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
[mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dave Rotigel
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:51 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Windows XP

Hi Dean VP, FYI

 	Presidential
Candidate	Vice Presidential
Candidate	Political
Party	Popular Vote	Electoral Vote
	Barack H. Obama	Joseph R. Biden, Jr.	Democratic	65,917,258
51.01%	332	61.7%
	Willard Mitt Romney	Paul Ryan	Republican	60,932,235
47.15%	206	38.3%
	Gary Johnson	James P. Gray	Libertarian	1,275,893
0.99%	0	0.0%
	Jill Stein	Cheri Honkala	Green	469,016	0.36%	0	0.0%
	Other (+)	-	-	637,704	0.49%	0	0.0%
Total	129,232,106		538
	Dave

On Mar 20, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Dean VP wrote:

> That is not true.
> 
> Dean VP
> Apache Junction, AZ
> 
> " . . . The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with 
> the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure . . . " 
> Jefferson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dave 
> Rotigel
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:01 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Windows XP
> 
> Hi Dan, And MORE people voted for the current POTUS than for the other
guy.
> What's your point?
> 	Dave
> 
> On Mar 20, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Dan Glass wrote:
> 
>> More people still use XP than use all versions of mac ever made.
>> On 3/20/2014 7:45 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
>>> I use a Mac. Will any of this effect my machine?
>>> 	Dave
>>> PS, I didn't think so--THATS WHY I USE A MAC!
>>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Dick Day wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Here is an excerpt from an email I sent to one of my software clients.
>>>> They were asking if their custom software program would run on Win8 
>>>> and how worried should they be about their XP computers.  I am the 
>>>> IT manager for the county I live in. I also own a custom software 
>>>> development company with clients in Nebraska and Wisconsin. This is 
>>>> just my opinion, I'm sure others will not agree...
>>>> 
>>>> My preliminary testing, all 10 minutes worth, didn't see any 
>>>> immediate problems, but all I did was install and run. However, it 
>>>> took some doing to get to that point. That is not an endorsement of 
>>>> your custom software running on Win8.
>>>> 
>>>> As far as the XP scare, remember Y2K? I anticipate even fewer problems.
>>>> I am responsible for 5 servers and almost 175 PC's at the county.  
>>>> I still have a dozen or so XP boxes running and I have no intention 
>>>> of doing anything with them until they physically break.  Like you, 
>>>> our ISP (Internet Service Provider) has us hidden behind their
firewall.
>>>> We have up-to-date AV running on all systems.  We also have 
>>>> Barracuda WebFilter covering us. Forgetting about the XP issue, you 
>>>> really should talk to your hardware provider about some sort of web
> filtering.
>>>> 
>>>> Many XP users have not installed Windows updates in ages. The fact 
>>>> the M$ won't offer support for XP is not all that important, at 
>>>> least to us.  They simply won't answer your support questions when 
>>>> you call.  And, the last time you spoke with Microsoft about XP was 
>>>> when?  :)
>>>> 
>>>> The AV companies are providing AV for XP.  Why wouldn't they?  Now 
>>>> XP users have a real reason to buy & keep their AV up-to-date.
>>>> 
>>>> Until they get Win8 in a usable format for the business community, 
>>>> we'll stick with Win7.  All of the PC's I buy are Windows 7
>>>> Pro-64/Win8 downgrades. That means that the PC is loaded with 
>>>> Windows 7
> Pro 64-bit.
>>>> They also come with Win8 CD'ds. You own a license for both.  Once 8 
>>>> is usable, you'll need to follow the Win8 upgrade procedure.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 5:14 PM, charlie hill
> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If it was me I'd make sure I updated XP with all the latest 
>>>>> updates, patches
>>>>> and drivers now and then run it until it won't run any more.   They
> aren't
>>>>> going
>>>>> to somehow cut it off or block it.  They just won't help you with 
>>>>> your problems any longer and the drivers and updates won't be 
>>>>> available most likely.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Howard Weeks
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 5:19 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] OT - Windows XP
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is more hype than substance!  You should always keep a good 
>>>>> virus software package installed and updated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I run several machines with XP and I have never allowed MS to 
>>>>> update anything on them since since new.  Never had a problem 
>>>>> either!  I trust MS less than the virus guys.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If the virus software producers drop support for XP, that would be 
>>>>> a bigger problem. By the time that happens, the hacks will have 
>>>>> moved on to whatever the MS followers are running.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will still be running XP in parallel with Linux.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Howard in GA
>>>>> On 3/20/2014 11:53 AM, Mike wrote:
>>>>>> Hi guys, sorry for the OT post, but I know there are a few guys 
>>>>>> on here that are up on the latest IT stuff. Long story short, my 
>>>>>> Dad read an article by Kim Komando in last Sundays paper 
>>>>>> regarding the end of Microsoft's support for Windows XP on April 
>>>>>> 14th. The article basically stated that if you haven't already, 
>>>>>> you should drop XP like a hot potato and migrate to Windows 7 or 
>>>>>> 8 because it will become very vulnerable to attack.  His machine 
>>>>>> is an older Dell that won't support Windows 7, so the only option 
>>>>>> is a new computer. Are these security concerns more hype than 
>>>>>> substance, or are they legitimate concerns? Thanks for any advice
offered.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>> 
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