[AT] The terror strikes again. - 4WD

Mon Jun 9 13:08:09 PDT 2014

I am part way between the positions articulated in this thread. I bought a
new 2014 F150 extended cab in January. It is a work truck without question
as we tow loads with it, haul tools, fuel and produce. I bought the V8
option rather than the Eco-boost V6 because of availability and wanting to
make sure the towing would work well. The bed on that truck is an 8.5' bed.
It tows legally as much as the 1980's F250 Diesels (I agree they would tow
more at a slower speed over an above the legal ratings, but am amazed how
much more the new F150 will haul than any "1/2ton" truck I have ever seen
and is quiet inside. It is a very well designed truck that has the creature
comforts even in work truck configuaration. As a note we have 17,000 miles
on it since buying it in the middle of January! Of course my worker drives
that and I drive an older high mileage truck, lol.
     We also acquired a Dodge B200 4WD last year for just under $2500. It
had 19,000 miles on it - probably actual miles, drives like a military truck
from WWII, has no creature comforts and sold new in 1980 for about $18,000
if I remember correctly. The miles per gallon is better on the new truck,
the old has more "dentability". In total I like some old truck features
(good thing considering how many I have) and some new truck features. I
believe that over the next five years, we will finally see truck mpgs on
pickups and medium duty trucks go up more than in any decade since the
internal combustion engine powered trucks came about.
         Grant Brians

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Offiler
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Subject: Re: [AT] The terror strikes again. - 4WD

Well... I am NOT disagreeing with you, but please recognize that the value
of money changes substantially with time.  Name a year or even a decade
when you could buy a truck new for $3000 and we'll see what that would be
in today's dollars.  It won't be quite as much as $28,000, I know.

And at least some of that stuff that comes in today's trucks, that you
really don't want, is there due to economies of scale.  It's cheaper to put
cruise control into every truck than it is to manage the two separate
versions, with and without.  Just an example.

SO

On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 10:40 AM, R Fink Sr <rfinksr at verizon.net> wrote:

>    Stephen I am from the old school and recall when a new work pickup was
>    less than 3000.00. The new trucks are just modified car or wagons.Some
>    of the crap they put on is nice but not a necessity in my opinion.
>    R Fink
>    PA
>
>
>    On 06/09/14, Stephen Offiler<soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>    Sorry to reply to my own message but since I still had the page open I
>    just
>    priced out a truck. Chevy 2500HD Work Truck with 6 liter gas engine,
>    automatic transmission, snowplow package, trailer tow package, bed mat.
>    True Market Value (this is from Edmunds dot com, a popular research
>    site
>    which gives negotiated bottom line out the door pricing) anyway this
>    truck
>    is $28,000 with the current incentives (it's a 2014 and they need to
>    make
>    room for the 2015's). That sounds downright CHEAP.
>    SO
>    On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Stephen Offiler <[1]soffiler at gmail.com>
>    wrote:
>    > The majority of the dealer profit comes from the sales of service,
>    parts,
>    > and accessories. They make very little on the sale of the vehicle
>    itself.
>    > And they can only sell what the manufacturer designs and builds. The
>    > manufacturer designs and builds what they perceive the customers
>    want. I
>    > just checked real quick, only Chevy, and found they still have a
>    2500HD
>    > Work Truck that is pretty basic. Vinyl seats, steel wheels,
>    hose-em-out
>    > vinyl instead of carpeting. It does have a tach and cruise control
>    and a
>    > radio, but the cab is far from "stuffed with crap". They exist.
>    >
>    > SO
>    >
>    >
>    >
>    > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:26 AM, <[2]Recentjester at aol.com> wrote:
>    >
>    >> Always figured that a dealership was just a big lot where they
>    dumped the
>    >> trucks along a major freeway to sell them. the service or warranty
>    area
>    >> was
>    >> never big enough to do much more than change your oil. The object of
>    a
>    >> truck is to get a heavy load where its going. I own a truck to bring
>    >> things
>    >> home to make myself more self sustainable. I don't need a bunch of
>    bells
>    >> an
>    >> whistles. All the crap they want to stuff into the cab does not
>    impress
>    >> me.
>    >> The Pickups look so big now but they have less room in the bed.
>    >>
>    >>
>    >>
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