[AT] The terror strikes again. - 4WD

Sun Jun 8 09:21:46 PDT 2014

Same thing up here in OK..   A true off road truck is a gas engine with 
7:50 x 16 deep cleat mud & snow tires.  A 3.73 or 4.10 rear end ratio 
and you can usually dig yourself out.  Here you can get stuck in 2 
inches of mud.   You have to dig that out and throw it out of the tires 
to move.  A 350 up front is powerful enough but lightweight enough to 
stay on top of the mud.
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Our red clay is as slick as ice at 34deg, and hard as hell to get off.

Cecil in OKla

On 6/6/2014 7:22 AM, Recentjester at aol.com wrote:
> Charlie, I solved the weather problem (of ever "needing" 4  wheel drive) by
> mov'in to Texas. My 80 Chev 3/4 to 350cu.in 2wd goes where I  need to go.
> Rear wheel disc brakes and mandatory insurance is what makes things  "get
> touchy" Those two factors make "me" people crawl right up your butt an this
> causes a lot of multi car collisons.  U get 4-wheel Diesel truck off  the road
> an u need a tractor to get it out. They are two heavy to go off on  Gumbo
> clay where u don't belong in wet weather
>   
>   
> In a message dated 6/5/2014 11:59:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> charliehill at embarqmail.com writes:
>
> Grant  you need to drive a newer 4 wd vehicle.
> Mine is an 06 GMC Sierra crew  cab.  It weighs in at
> about 5,000 lbs.  Except for getting into  and out of
> tight parking spaces it drives and rides as good as
> a full  size sedan.  It gets around 20 mpg on the highway.
> My overall average  fuel economy is about 17.5 over the life
> of the truck and that includes a  fair amount of towing.
> The 4 WD is controlled by a switch on the  dash.  You run
> in 2 wd.  If things get touchy you can hit the  switch to put it
> in Auto 4 wd and it selects 4 wd if it needs it or you can  hit
> the button for full time 4 wd.  You do this on the fly  without
> slowing down, stopping or putting the transmission in  neutral.
> The only time you have to stop to shift is if you need to go  into
> 4wd low range.
>
> The front suspension is independent like the  rear suspension on
> a Corvette or a typical front wheel drive sedan with  short stub axles from
> the transfer case to the front wheels.  210,000  miles and I've had
> only very minor problems with the entire  truck.
>
> There is nothing wrong with 2WD but there is also no down side  to modern
> 4 WD except for the up front  cost.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Grant  Brians
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 12:08 PM
> To: Antique tractor email  discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] The terror strikes again. - 4WD
>
> I  fall into the category of the "2WD supporters", but for exactly the
> reason
> Steve cites - I don't drive in snow or other conditions where it  would be
> useful! Once in a while we get snow in the Mountain valley ranch,  and there
> is frequently ice on the pass in the winter, but then we almost  always have
> enough weight to compensate. Also, while I did finally buy a  4WD Dodge last
> year for wet conditions around the fields (1980 3/4 ton -  boy it drives
> like
> an OLD truck...), it was not intended for road use  really. As a result, I
> can say that as the old internet meme goes YMMV your  mileage may vary! LOL.
> Grant Brians
> Hollister,California Farmer
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From:  at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com]On  Behalf Of Stephen
> Offiler
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 5:13 AM
> To:  Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] The terror strikes  again. - Studebaker speed response
>
>
> (replying to Charlie's note with  a lot of snipping...)
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:27 PM, charlie hill  <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> john I put some  weight in the rear of my 4 WD truck if possible but
>> usually not more  than 200 or 300 lbs.
>
> I usually don't add weight, and the reason why  not is because my truck is
> not a daily driver; it comes out when I need to  haul something meaning I
> generally need the bed to be free of dead-weight  obstructions; and
> otherwise it comes out when the snow is really  bad.
>
>
>
>>   I know those who don't have 4 WD or
>>   don't want 4 WD or just don't believe in it for one reason or  another
> don't
>> want
>> to hear this but there really is a  dramatic difference when driving in
> snow
>> or
>> anything else  slick or deep.
>
>
> This is really the part I wanted to focus  us.  YES!  It's just a fact.  The
> 2WD supporters have found  that it works for them, but clearly they aren't
> taking their trucks into  some of the same situations as Charlie and I  have
> described.
>
> SO
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