[AT] The terror strikes again. - Studebaker speed response
Stephen Offiler
soffiler at gmail.com
Tue Jun 3 07:07:25 PDT 2014
This is very true, and it's an ongoing challenge even today to train
competent mechanics (who are actually called technicians now.... EVERYTHING
changes!) My career is in designing tools for automotive repair, and I
work closely with a lot of these folks, including volunteering at the local
trade high school.
The best technicians are called "A-Techs" and sometimes known as
"Driveability" technicians. They are the ones who can go deep into the
computer and sensor systems and fix annoying problems that others can't.
Today's vehicles bear as much resemblance to the cars of the 50's and 60's
as these computers we are all typing on bear resemblance to mechanical cash
registers. EVERYTHING changes.
SO
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 9:43 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
wrote:
> That's the problem with those systems Cecil. They work fine when they
> are new. Several years ago when the first generation of computerized
> cars hit the street a local dealer friend of mine told some of us...these
> computer cars are great but you need to trade them soon after the warranty
> runs out because we can't fix them". Obviously the mechanics are getting
> up to speed more and more but some of the sensors are so sensitive
> that everything has to be perfect for them to work right.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:30 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] The terror strikes again. - Studebaker speed response
>
> I keep Harbor freight in business... At least 10 rolls every time I go
> in there....
>
> Cecil in oKla
>
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>
> On 6/3/2014 8:15 AM, R Fink Sr wrote:
> > Cecil did you not know that is why they uped production of black
> > electric tape
> > R Fink
> > PA
> >
> >
> > On 06/03/14, Cecil R Bearden<crbearden at copper.net> wrote:
> >
> > All the new technology available on the new models are great for an
> > old
> > timer who still knows how to drive in bad weather.
> > However, after this stuff gets to be 10 years old, keeping it
> > working is a constant nightmare. I don't have an antilock brake
> system
> > on any of my vehicles that works. I have spent thousands of dollars
> to
> > replace systems and after 6 months to a year, the light is back on
> the
> > dash. I just gave up and put a piece of tape over the light.!!
> > Personally I am sick to death of these disposable cars and trucks.
> > Cecil in OKla
> > On 6/3/2014 7:44 AM, Stephen Offiler wrote:
> > > Yeah, that'll work, Charlie! And if you want to find out what
> modern
> > tires
> > > and suspension can do, try your test on a curvy road!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:36 AM, charlie hill
> > <[1]charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> If you want to find out what traction control can do, get ahold of
> > >> someone's late model Corvette, stand up on the gas pedal and
> > >> hang on.
> > >>
> > >> Charlie
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Stephen Offiler
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:23 AM
> > >> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > >> Subject: Re: [AT] The terror strikes again. - Studebaker speed
> > response
> > >>
> > >> I just bought a used '13 VW Jetta Sportwagen and it's my first car
> > with
> > >> traction control. I got it in early February of this year and I
> had
> > ample
> > >> opportunity to drive it on snow and ice covered roads while the
> car
> > was
> > >> still unfamiliar to me. We had some days in February that were so
> > cold
> > >> (Ralph kind of cold, negative degrees Fahrenheit) that salt cannot
> > melt the
> > >> ice, so I had a few rides to work that were literally on
> > ice-COVERED
> > roads,
> > >> not just a phrase.
> > >>
> > >> I was AMAZED at what the traction and stability control can do. I
> > clearly
> > >> wasn't out there driving like a moron, but we have lots of hills
> > and
> > curves
> > >> where I live, and it felt like I was driving an all-wheel-drive
> > vehicle.
> > >>
> > >> Tires, suspension, and electronic aids today are orders of
> > magnitude
> > beyond
> > >> those bias-ply tires on that Studebaker. Sorry Charlie V but it's
> > just a
> > >> fact.
> > >>
> > >> SO
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Henry Miller
> > <[2]hank at millerfarm.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On June 2, 2014 10:13:59 PM CDT, Mike <[3]meulenms at gmx.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>> Anti-lock brakes will definitely stop you faster, and along with
> > >>>> stability control, makes for a safer vehicle. Traction control
> is
> > a
> > >>>> whole different story. My wife needs to turns hers off to avoid
> > getting
> > >>>>
> > >>>> stuck in deep snow, it won't allow any wheels spin, and you lose
> > >>>> momentum.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mike M
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 6/2/2014 10:52 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> > >>>>> Just saying, Steve, bias ply tires and drum breaks were not
> that
> > bad.
> > >>>> I
> > >>>>> sure put on a lot of (luckily) accident free miles with that
> > type
> > >>>> equipment
> > >>>>> as did many other folks. I am not convinced the anti lock
> > breaking
> > >>>> systems
> > >>>>> are all they are cracked up to be either.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Grant: My '47 Studebaker champion with overdrive would touch a
> > >>>> dollar bill
> > >>>>> on a good day but it needed a good two miles of road and zero
> > >>>> headwind to
> > >>>>> creep it up there. Tested it out the first day I got it on the
> > road
> > >>>> at 16
> > >>>>> years old. (Me for the 16. the car was just slightly younger.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Charlie V.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Stephen Offiler
> > <[4]soffiler at gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 6/2/2014 10:20 AM, Grant Brians wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Ralph, that is why I got all of my need for speed out when I
> > was
> > >>>>>> younger
> > >>>>>>> in my Studebaker cars.... 125mph between the farm fields
> where
> > >>>> there were
> > >>>>>>> no police, houses or cross traffic and a three mile
> > straightaway is
> > >>>>>>> enjoyable in a Gran Turismo Hawk.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Ralph Goff
> > <[5]alfg at sasktel.net>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Grant, at least you would not have been talking or texting on
> > a
> > >>>> cell
> > >>>>>>> phone while driving that speed in those times.
> > >>>>>> Very true, Ralph! But on the downside, he was doing it on
> > skinny
> > >>>> bias-ply
> > >>>>>> tires and drum brakes!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> SO
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> > >>> It very much depends on which car you have. For a long time I
> > thought
> > >>> traction control was great and why would anyone not want it all
> > the
> > time.
> > >>> Then I went looking for a car for my wife and found most of them
> > as
> > bad
> > >> as
> > >>> you say.
> > >>>
> > >>> I endorse traction control on my vw, and anything with a similar
> > system.
> > >> I
> > >>> have no use for it elsewhere.
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> > 2. mailto:hank at millerfarm.com
> > 3. mailto:meulenms at gmx.com
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