[AT] Farmall starter switch

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Mon Jul 28 06:18:08 PDT 2014


Herb,  the good thing is that you can split your D-14 without affecting
anything but some sheet metal, the starter, the fuel line disconnected at 
the
sediment bowl and a few wires.  If you are careful it should not affect
how it runs at all.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Herb Metz
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:41 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Farmall starter switch

Dean,my D-14 Allis starts so quickly that I do not want to open it up and
replace the ring gear, but will probably have to this winter because too
frequently the result is a grinding noise when the starter does not properly
engage.  Several times in the past year the result is the starter locking up
(as Keith describes, but I do not get a similar pop when loosening the
starter bolt). Each year on old Allis Forum (large internet group) a couple
D series owners will mention experiencing this problem.
Our old '36 Chevy that I drove to high school in '46 & '47 would do the same
grinding occasionally. Just put it in high gear, switch off, open door, both
feet on ground and push on corner post just enough to briefly rock it. Get
back in and start er up, and off we go.  A couple times a year this Chevy
would act like out of gas, and stop.  Take gas cap off, open right side
hood, take end wrench from glove box, loosen and remove gasline from back of
carburetor, then lean way over and make a sharp blowing into gasline.  This
would dislodge a small piece of paper, or crud, that had seated over gasline
exiting from gastank. Reconnect gasline, replace gas cap, get back in car,
start er up, and take off again.
Herb


-----Original Message----- 
From: kkinney at herculesengines.com
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:57 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Farmall starter switch

Once in a while our Farmall H will get the starter stuck.  Seems like the
teeth on the starter and the teeth on the ring gear get out of mesh and will
have the teeth on top of one another.  At least that’s what I think is
happening.  The engine will  be locked up tighter than a drum.  I’ll get a
wrench out and loosen the bolts holding the starter on.  After a few turns I’ll
hear a fairly loud “pop" and everything will be right with the world again.
I’ll tighten the bolts and be off and running.
Keith


On Jul 27, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Cecil R Bearden <crbearden at copper.net> wrote:

> Sometimes a dremel tool with a chainsaw sharpening stone will get into
> the tooth and smooth it out.  There is a small angle to the teeth to
> allow them to mesh fast.
> Cecil in oKla
>
> On 7/27/2014 8:01 PM, Dean Vinson wrote:
>> Gentlemen, you hit the nail on the head with the idea about rocking the
>> tractor.
>>
>> It didn't initially seem to make any difference, still no sound or
>> movement
>> from the starter even after rocking the tractor, so I took the starter
>> off.
>> Laid it on the floor, stepped lightly on it with one foot to hold it
>> still,
>> and hooked it up to some jumper cables from the battery...and it worked
>> just
>> fine.   So I looked at the ring gear on the tractor, through the hole
>> where
>> the starter used to be, and saw the teeth were somewhat banged up.   Put
>> the
>> tractor back in 5th gear and rocked it some more to rotate the ring gear
>> a
>> little, put the starter back on, hooked everything back up, climbed up,
>> switched on, pulled the starter rod, and the tractor fired right up like
>> nothing had ever been wrong.
>>
>> Thanks to all--
>>
>> Dean Vinson
>> Saint Paris, Ohio
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> jtchall at nc.rr.com
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 6:41 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Farmall starter switch
>>
>> Rocking the rear wheels while in high gear is a good idea.
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: k7jdj at aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:34 AM
>> To: at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Farmall starter switch
>>
>> Sounds like the starter is stuck.  Don't know what kind of starter drive
>> is
>> used.  I would try and make sure the engine is free and or put tractor in
>> a
>> high gear and rock rear wheel with the ignition switch off.  Also put a
>> voltmeter on the battery and see what the voltage does when you apply
>> start
>> current to the battery either with the switch or putting the battery
>> cable
>> on the starter.  It should drop a couple of volts if the starter and
>> grounds
>> are OK.
>>
>> Gary
>> Renton, WA.
>>
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