[AT] , now JD

Tue Jul 8 06:24:40 PDT 2014

Steve,  as I alluded to in my reply to Herb, there is reason to believe the 
bike was
marketed with both name plates.    There was apparently a tie between the 
two
companies.  This site 
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/history-triumph-motorcycle.html
indicates that BSA owned Triumph.  Read the history.  I found the reference 
starting about 1968.
I didn't read all of it.  Also, here: 
http://ianchadwick.com/motorcycles/triumph/time04.html

Understand that I know very little about motorcycles and nothing about BSA 
or Triumph motorcycles.
I just have one very clear memory of standing at a specific spot that I 
could take you to today, in 1968 or 69
and talking to a kid that I did not know.  There were 2 or 3 others standing 
there looking at his new motorcycle.
I clearly remember it being a Triumph 44x something.  As in my first post I 
said 441 or maybe 444.  I knew it wasn't 442
because that is an Olds Car.  There is absolutely no reason for me to 
remember it as a Triumph when it was a BSA.
I have to believe that at some point that bike was marketed under both the 
Triumph and BSA names.
The only other British bikes I ever knew anything about were
Nortons and that was just because the Honda dealer where my cousin bought 
his bike also sold Norton.   To my knowledge
I've never actually seen a bike with a BSA nameplate on it.  My memory is 
not infallible by any means and if I was familiar
with both brands I would easily admit that I could have them mixed up but 
it's hard to confuse something you never knew
existed.  That would be akin to my memory of the time I cured cancer or got 
the Nobel prize for world peace or invented the
Internet.  Hopefully I'm not that delusional.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Offilrr
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:01 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD

I did, Charlie, but my gut feel is that it is not particularly factual or 
reliable.

SO

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> On Jul 7, 2014, at 5:42 PM, "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Steve did you read the information below the picture.
> If not scroll down the page.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Stephen Offiler
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 3:01 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD
>
> Charlie:
>
> In that link you provided, I can't say *exactly* what model that is, but
> the engine is pretty unmistakably a BSA.  Compare it to this one:
>
> http://www.propsonwheels.com/images/motorcycles/BSA%20441%20victor.jpg
>
> And the badge on the tank.  Resolution isn't very good, but if I squint, I
> can make out the features of this:
>
> http://www.britishclassicmotorcycles.com/images/BSA%20logo.jpg
>
> SO
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:32 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Herb, what is the one in the link I sent you?  BSA or Triumph?
>> They call it a Triumph BSA.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Herb Metz
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:59 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD
>>
>> Charlie, back then they were very similar in appearance; however very 
>> much
>> competitors.  BSA (Birmingham Small Arms) mfged a large variety of 
>> singles
>> and twins; Triumph was mostly twins with one small single and one large 3
>> cylinder. Please not this info is dated because I now longer paid
>> attention
>> to bikes when I went into service and after.  Herb
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 12:43 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD
>>
>> Maybe it was a BSA but I would have sworn it was a Triumph.
>>
>> Here you go.  Maybe this is what it was.
>> http://www.akbikes.com/view_cycle_details.php?RID=821
>> BSA badges as Triumph?
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Offiler
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:29 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD
>>
>> BSA had a popular thumper called the 441.  Not that it matters whether
>> Triumph or BSA.  I like the image of dirt kicking w/ each hit!
>>
>> SO
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:11 AM, charlie hill 
>> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Herb a kid that lived in the same dorm with me in college had
>>> a Triumph with a big single cyl. engine.  I want to say it was a
>>> 441 or 444 or something like that.  He would put that thing in
>>> low gear and let it idle on dirt or gravel and every time the engine
>>> hit the rear wheel would kick dirt.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Herb Metz
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 9:14 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD
>>>
>>> Decades ago I had a loaner motorcycle while my T-100 English Triumph was
>>> disabled. The loaner was a 500cc single cylinder BSA (referred to as a
>>> thumper), with a compression release controlled by a small lever on
>>> handlebar (not sure whether on left or right side). Looking back I was
>>> wondering why two cylinder JD's did not have similar; and now we know
>> that
>>> they did on some special applications.  Herb
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brian VanDragt
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 9:53 PM
>>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
>>>
>>> The petcock operating levers were for use with a mounted picker.  You
>>> couldn't get to them easily with the picker on.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dean VP
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 7:36 PM
>>> To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
>>>
>>> Ron,
>>>
>>> I've seen somewhere in my travels even maybe a memory from the 50's
>>> where
>>> there were levers and rods that were attached to the side of the dash so
>>> the
>>> operator could open and close the petcocks from the driver's seat.  I
>>> don't
>>> recall seeing something like that recently.  Maybe it was a home brew!
>>>
>>> Dean VP
>>> Snohomish, WA
>>>
>>> They say necessity is the mother of invention.
>>> Don't know who the father is, probably remorse.
>>> Red Green
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Ron Cook
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 11:51 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Re: flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
>>>
>>> Yep.  I noticed those loose bolts on the interconnect cable ends right
>>> off.
>>> The cables are in good condition.  Near new and are in series with
>>> positive
>>> ground.  However, Dean had brought the tractor home, so they were
>>> obviously
>>> making connection at the time.  Not a big deal at all.
>>> Normal, as a matter of fact.  Heck, most have just installed a 12V
>> battery
>>> and stopped using the two sixes.  I have. That keeps most my
>>> batteries the same.   Just keep the correct police out from under the
>>> seat cushion.  I even got fed up with the 6V system on my '46 A and
>>> converted it to 12V about 20 years ago. Now I can start it without
>> getting
>>> off and opening the petcocks.:-)
>>>
>>> Ron Cook
>>> Salix, IA
>>>> On 7/5/2014 8:54 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>>>> I'm reading and responding to these emails via cell phone so I'm
>>>> doubly handicapped! -:)
>>>>
>>>> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>>>>
>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>> From: Mike <meulenms at gmx.com>
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 01:19:17 GMT+00:00
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Re:  flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
>>>>
>>>> Look at the nuts on the clamp bolts Dean, they are not even close to
>>> tight.
>>>>
>>>> Mike M
>>>>> On 7/5/2014 7:30 PM, Dean VP wrote:
>>>>> You have much better eyes than I do if you can see the loose
>>>>> connections between the two batteries.  However, these are 6V
>>>>> batteries so they need
>>>> to
>>>>> be in Series to get the required 12V for the JD 620.
>>>>>
>>>>> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original message-----
>>>>> From: vschwartz1 at comcast.net
>>>>> To: Antique <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>> Sent: Sat, Jul 5, 2014 22:56:42 GMT+00:00
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Re:  flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph; Your reply made it to Central Missouri just fine although it
>>>>> did
>>>> come
>>>>> in after Janice and John's comment. I guess everyone is looking at
>>>>> the
>>>> John
>>>>> Deere 620 battery box and wondering who installed those batteries and
>>>>> cables. After I looked the second time I could see the short cable
>>>>> was not tight on either end as well as being on the wrong Posts for a
>>>>> 12 Volt set up. At this point I am assuming that a 620 John Deere
>>>>> should be 12 volt. I am thinking the battery cables were disconnected
>>>>> for long term storage and the guy who put it up for sale made an
>>>>> error
>>> in
>>> the connections.
>>>>> Gil
>>>
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