[AT] , now JD

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Tue Jul 8 05:38:54 PDT 2014


I've seen that Herb however, the fact that there is a picture online
that says it is a Triumph BSA 441 coupled with the fact that I
remembered a Triumph 441 with no reason or background that
would make me get it confused makes me believe that at some
point in time that BSA 441 might have been marketed by Triumph.
Much the same way as some Oliver tractors were marketed as
Massey Fergusons at one time.  We might never know.   I guess
that bike online is close enough that I could go check it out if I wanted
and if the guy still had it.  It's only about 100 miles from me.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Herb Metz
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 8:41 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD

Charlie,go to google and type in 1968 BSA, drop down a couple lines and
click on 441 victor special, and up pops
this photo.  Herb

-----Original Message----- 
From: charlie hill
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 5:42 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD

Steve did you read the information below the picture.
If not scroll down the page.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Stephen Offiler
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 3:01 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD

Charlie:

In that link you provided, I can't say *exactly* what model that is, but
the engine is pretty unmistakably a BSA.  Compare it to this one:

http://www.propsonwheels.com/images/motorcycles/BSA%20441%20victor.jpg

And the badge on the tank.  Resolution isn't very good, but if I squint, I
can make out the features of this:

http://www.britishclassicmotorcycles.com/images/BSA%20logo.jpg

SO





On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:32 PM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
wrote:

> Herb, what is the one in the link I sent you?  BSA or Triumph?
> They call it a Triumph BSA.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Herb Metz
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 1:59 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD
>
> Charlie, back then they were very similar in appearance; however very much
> competitors.  BSA (Birmingham Small Arms) mfged a large variety of singles
> and twins; Triumph was mostly twins with one small single and one large 3
> cylinder. Please not this info is dated because I now longer paid
> attention
> to bikes when I went into service and after.  Herb
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: charlie hill
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 12:43 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD
>
> Maybe it was a BSA but I would have sworn it was a Triumph.
>
> Here you go.  Maybe this is what it was.
> http://www.akbikes.com/view_cycle_details.php?RID=821
> BSA badges as Triumph?
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Offiler
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 11:29 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD
>
> BSA had a popular thumper called the 441.  Not that it matters whether
> Triumph or BSA.  I like the image of dirt kicking w/ each hit!
>
> SO
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:11 AM, charlie hill <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Herb a kid that lived in the same dorm with me in college had
> > a Triumph with a big single cyl. engine.  I want to say it was a
> > 441 or 444 or something like that.  He would put that thing in
> > low gear and let it idle on dirt or gravel and every time the engine
> > hit the rear wheel would kick dirt.
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Herb Metz
> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 9:14 AM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] , now JD
> >
> > Decades ago I had a loaner motorcycle while my T-100 English Triumph was
> > disabled. The loaner was a 500cc single cylinder BSA (referred to as a
> > thumper), with a compression release controlled by a small lever on
> > handlebar (not sure whether on left or right side). Looking back I was
> > wondering why two cylinder JD's did not have similar; and now we know
> that
> > they did on some special applications.  Herb
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian VanDragt
> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 9:53 PM
> > To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> > Subject: Re: [AT] flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
> >
> > The petcock operating levers were for use with a mounted picker.  You
> > couldn't get to them easily with the picker on.
> > Brian
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Dean VP
> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2014 7:36 PM
> > To: 'Antique tractor email discussion group'
> > Subject: Re: [AT] flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
> >
> > Ron,
> >
> > I've seen somewhere in my travels even maybe a memory from the 50's
> > where
> > there were levers and rods that were attached to the side of the dash so
> > the
> > operator could open and close the petcocks from the driver's seat.  I
> > don't
> > recall seeing something like that recently.  Maybe it was a home brew!
> >
> > Dean VP
> > Snohomish, WA
> >
> > They say necessity is the mother of invention.
> > Don't know who the father is, probably remorse.
> > Red Green
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
> > [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of Ron Cook
> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 11:51 PM
> > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Re: flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
> >
> > Yep.  I noticed those loose bolts on the interconnect cable ends right
> > off.
> > The cables are in good condition.  Near new and are in series with
> > positive
> > ground.  However, Dean had brought the tractor home, so they were
> > obviously
> > making connection at the time.  Not a big deal at all.
> > Normal, as a matter of fact.  Heck, most have just installed a 12V
> battery
> > and stopped using the two sixes.  I have. That keeps most my
> > batteries the same.   Just keep the correct police out from under the
> > seat cushion.  I even got fed up with the 6V system on my '46 A and
> > converted it to 12V about 20 years ago. Now I can start it without
> getting
> > off and opening the petcocks.:-)
> >
> > Ron Cook
> > Salix, IA
> > On 7/5/2014 8:54 PM, Dean VP wrote:
> > > I'm reading and responding to these emails via cell phone so I'm
> > > doubly handicapped! -:)
> > >
> > > Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
> > >
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: Mike <meulenms at gmx.com>
> > > To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> > > <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > > Sent: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 01:19:17 GMT+00:00
> > > Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Re:  flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
> > >
> > > Look at the nuts on the clamp bolts Dean, they are not even close to
> > tight.
> > >
> > > Mike M
> > > On 7/5/2014 7:30 PM, Dean VP wrote:
> > >> You have much better eyes than I do if you can see the loose
> > >> connections between the two batteries.  However, these are 6V
> > >> batteries so they need
> > > to
> > >> be in Series to get the required 12V for the JD 620.
> > >>
> > >> Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
> > >>
> > >> -----Original message-----
> > >> From: vschwartz1 at comcast.net
> > >> To: Antique <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
> > >> Sent: Sat, Jul 5, 2014 22:56:42 GMT+00:00
> > >> Subject: Re: [AT] Fwd: Re:  flooding in Saskatchewan and Manitoba
> > >>
> > >> Ralph; Your reply made it to Central Missouri just fine although it
> > >> did
> > > come
> > >> in after Janice and John's comment. I guess everyone is looking at
> > >> the
> > > John
> > >> Deere 620 battery box and wondering who installed those batteries and
> > >> cables. After I looked the second time I could see the short cable
> > >> was not tight on either end as well as being on the wrong Posts for a
> > >> 12 Volt set up. At this point I am assuming that a 620 John Deere
> > >> should be 12 volt. I am thinking the battery cables were disconnected
> > >> for long term storage and the guy who put it up for sale made an
> > >> error
> > in
> > the connections.
> > >> Gil
> > >>
> >
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