[AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine

David Rotigel rotigel at me.com
Sun Aug 10 17:33:55 PDT 2014


Do you guys (i.e. you and Mike) think that this has possibly all been Bush's fault?
	Dave
PS, If so, I know someone who agrees with you!

On Aug 10, 2014, at 7:45 PM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:

> Just to 'add' to the mystery... This is the second unit they shipped me. The 
> first got destroyed in transit.  I have always believed in buying locally 
> whenever possible. After this fiasco, I'll buy something different locally 
> rather than getting exactly what I want on-line.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Mike
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 6:11 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
> 
> Dave, you just ruined our fun. We were going to start some conspiracy
> theories on why Briggs and Stratton has is out for Dicks new mower.
> 
> Mike M
> 
> On 8/10/2014 4:45 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
>> While I have ENJOYED all the "ideas" everyone has offered (if it were 
>> mine) I would put new oil and filter on the unit and mow the grass. It's 
>> under guarantee, is it not?
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 4:21 PM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Not being an expert on oil, I am guessing it feels about the same. It was
>>> not sludge, just jet black oil.  I was going to hold onto it in case 
>>> anyone
>>> wanted to see/test it.  Unfortunately, it got dumped in with other oil 
>>> and
>>> was carted off to a friend's place that uses it for heating.  I'm sure 
>>> there
>>> is still plenty in the engine.  So right now it sits with little to no 
>>> oil
>>> in it. The key is removed :)
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:44 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>> 
>>> Dick, was the oil really thin (diluted) or was it normal other than the
>>> color?
>>> 
>>> Mike M
>>> 
>>> On 8/10/2014 2:54 PM, DDSS wrote:
>>>> All I have done so far is drain the oil and replace the oil filter. 
>>>> When
>>>> I
>>>> saw how black the oil was, I stopped and am waiting for some direction
>>>> from
>>>> B&S.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Ken Knierim
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:18 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>> 
>>>> Molybdenum disulfide has or can have a very black appearance; it used to
>>>> be
>>>> (maybe still is) recommended for use on new (non-roller) camshafts.
>>>> Perhaps the break-in oil for this engine had some in it? I agree with
>>>> Steve
>>>> O...  very hard to tell by the color. There may be extenuating
>>>> circumstances.
>>>> 
>>>> B&S is still on the hook for warranty, right? Follow the book...
>>>> 
>>>> Just my $0.02
>>>> Ken in AZ
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:34 AM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks guys.   Just as soon as I hear back from Briggs, I'll post it
>>>>> here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dick
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Spencer Yost
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:30 AM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>> 
>>>>> I must admit I've never had this problem with the gasoline engines I 
>>>>> have
>>>>> rebuilt or bought.    My cub cadet kohler engine has 285 hours and 
>>>>> still
>>>>> has
>>>>> clean oil when I change it.  But in your case there could have been an
>>>>> additive or something added at the factory discoloring the oil.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Like Steve, I would change the oil and not worry about it.  If I 
>>>>> continue
>>>>> to
>>>>> see very dark oil without at least some improvement, I would probably
>>>>> call
>>>>> the factory.   Not sure they would say anything helpful, but like you
>>>>> this
>>>>> is so out of my normal experience I would want to bounce it off 
>>>>> someone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now diesel - that's a different matter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Spencer
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:06, Steve Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The blackest oil I have ever seen came from the hydro units on my
>>>>>> Gravely
>>>>>> ZT at the scheduled 125 hr service.  It was just as black as used oil
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of a diesel.  This surprised the heck out of me - hydro units; there's
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> combustion blow-by to make it dirty!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What's my point?   You cannot tell anything definitive from oil color.
>>>>>> Period.  I am as certain as I can be from this distance that 
>>>>>> everything
>>>>> is
>>>>>> perfectly fine with the Briggs.   The first sign of something bad in 
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> engine is either bad noise or smoke, not oil color.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SO
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 5:42 AM, "DDSS" <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: DDSS
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:27 PM
>>>>>>> To: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Husqvarna r220t mower with an Endurance (Intek) 20 horse. Husqvarna
>>>>>>> re-badges the Intek engine as "Endurance".  Checked with Briggs and
>>>>> there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> no difference between this and an Intek.  The Briggs manual I 
>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> it is for Intek.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It was shipped to me in sealed factory wooden crates. The oil was in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> engine when I received it. It now has 8.1 hours.  Drained the oil and
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> black.  I followed the steps on the prep sheet.  Next oil change is 
>>>>>>> at
>>>>> 25
>>>>>>> hours.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 5:08 PM
>>>>>>> To: DDSS
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> New Briggs engine on what?  A mower?  Did it come from a big box 
>>>>>>> store?
>>>>>>> Oil
>>>>>>> is not supplied with a crated mower, and whoever serviced it prior to
>>>>>>> delivery may have pulled whatever was handy off the shelf. Having 
>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> warranty service for Briggs through a big box store, I treat their
>>>>>>> make-ready service with suspicion.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I betcha they didn't retorque the drive wheels or check the air
>>>>>>> pressure
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the tires, either.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's what i mean by there being more to the story.  BUT, having a
>>>>>>> different oil in it for eight hours is not going to make any
>>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>> When's the next oil change called for? 50 hours? Some manufacturers
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> hour-meter automatically start blinking when it hits that reading, 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> automatically stop blinking after a couple of running hours.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "More to the story"?   The V-twin engine has an oil filter, the 
>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>>> for straight 30 weight, the oil that I drained from there is black.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Not sure what else I can add.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 4:33 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And you waid it has an oil filter? On modern engines, that typically
>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>> you can use multi-viscosity oil rather than single weight because 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> pressurized system.  I suspect there is more to this story.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Really?   I hope that's what it is. I have yet to put new oil in, 
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>>> for straight 30-weight, nothing special.  If it had synthetic, am I
>>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>>> to use just synthetic?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Are you sure it wasn't synthetic?  Some of that starts out that 
>>>>>>>> color.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I just did the first oil change on a new Briggs 20hp engine. The 
>>>>>>>>> oil
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> blacker than any oil I have ever seen.  I checked the air filter and
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> than some dust, it looked fine.  Although they don’t call for an oil
>>>>>>>> filter
>>>>>>>> change, I replaced it as well.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Has anyone ever seen this before?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>>> 
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