[AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine

Sun Aug 10 16:11:53 PDT 2014

Dave, you just ruined our fun. We were going to start some conspiracy 
theories on why Briggs and Stratton has is out for Dicks new mower.

Mike M

On 8/10/2014 4:45 PM, David Rotigel wrote:
> While I have ENJOYED all the "ideas" everyone has offered (if it were mine) I would put new oil and filter on the unit and mow the grass. It's under guarantee, is it not?
> 	Dave
>
> On Aug 10, 2014, at 4:21 PM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>
>> Not being an expert on oil, I am guessing it feels about the same. It was
>> not sludge, just jet black oil.  I was going to hold onto it in case anyone
>> wanted to see/test it.  Unfortunately, it got dumped in with other oil and
>> was carted off to a friend's place that uses it for heating.  I'm sure there
>> is still plenty in the engine.  So right now it sits with little to no oil
>> in it. The key is removed :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:44 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>
>> Dick, was the oil really thin (diluted) or was it normal other than the
>> color?
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On 8/10/2014 2:54 PM, DDSS wrote:
>>> All I have done so far is drain the oil and replace the oil filter.  When
>>> I
>>> saw how black the oil was, I stopped and am waiting for some direction
>>> from
>>> B&S.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ken Knierim
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:18 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>
>>> Molybdenum disulfide has or can have a very black appearance; it used to
>>> be
>>> (maybe still is) recommended for use on new (non-roller) camshafts.
>>> Perhaps the break-in oil for this engine had some in it? I agree with
>>> Steve
>>> O...  very hard to tell by the color. There may be extenuating
>>> circumstances.
>>>
>>> B&S is still on the hook for warranty, right? Follow the book...
>>>
>>> Just my $0.02
>>> Ken in AZ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:34 AM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks guys.   Just as soon as I hear back from Briggs, I'll post it
>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> Dick
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Spencer Yost
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:30 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>
>>>> I must admit I've never had this problem with the gasoline engines I have
>>>> rebuilt or bought.    My cub cadet kohler engine has 285 hours and still
>>>> has
>>>> clean oil when I change it.  But in your case there could have been an
>>>> additive or something added at the factory discoloring the oil.
>>>>
>>>> Like Steve, I would change the oil and not worry about it.  If I continue
>>>> to
>>>> see very dark oil without at least some improvement, I would probably
>>>> call
>>>> the factory.   Not sure they would say anything helpful, but like you
>>>> this
>>>> is so out of my normal experience I would want to bounce it off someone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now diesel - that's a different matter.
>>>>
>>>> Spencer
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:06, Steve Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The blackest oil I have ever seen came from the hydro units on my
>>>>> Gravely
>>>>> ZT at the scheduled 125 hr service.  It was just as black as used oil
>>>>> out
>>>>> of a diesel.  This surprised the heck out of me - hydro units; there's
>>>>> no
>>>>> combustion blow-by to make it dirty!
>>>>>
>>>>> What's my point?   You cannot tell anything definitive from oil color.
>>>>> Period.  I am as certain as I can be from this distance that everything
>>>> is
>>>>> perfectly fine with the Briggs.   The first sign of something bad in an
>>>>> engine is either bad noise or smoke, not oil color.
>>>>>
>>>>> SO
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 5:42 AM, "DDSS" <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: DDSS
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:27 PM
>>>>>> To: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Husqvarna r220t mower with an Endurance (Intek) 20 horse. Husqvarna
>>>>>> re-badges the Intek engine as "Endurance".  Checked with Briggs and
>>>> there
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> no difference between this and an Intek.  The Briggs manual I received
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> it is for Intek.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was shipped to me in sealed factory wooden crates. The oil was in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> engine when I received it. It now has 8.1 hours.  Drained the oil and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> black.  I followed the steps on the prep sheet.  Next oil change is at
>>>> 25
>>>>>> hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 5:08 PM
>>>>>> To: DDSS
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New Briggs engine on what?  A mower?  Did it come from a big box store?
>>>>>> Oil
>>>>>> is not supplied with a crated mower, and whoever serviced it prior to
>>>>>> delivery may have pulled whatever was handy off the shelf. Having once
>>>>>> done
>>>>>> warranty service for Briggs through a big box store, I treat their
>>>>>> make-ready service with suspicion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I betcha they didn't retorque the drive wheels or check the air
>>>>>> pressure
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the tires, either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what i mean by there being more to the story.  BUT, having a
>>>>>> different oil in it for eight hours is not going to make any
>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>> When's the next oil change called for? 50 hours? Some manufacturers
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> hour-meter automatically start blinking when it hits that reading, and
>>>>>> automatically stop blinking after a couple of running hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "More to the story"?   The V-twin engine has an oil filter, the manual
>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>> for straight 30 weight, the oil that I drained from there is black.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure what else I can add.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 4:33 PM
>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you waid it has an oil filter? On modern engines, that typically
>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>> you can use multi-viscosity oil rather than single weight because you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> pressurized system.  I suspect there is more to this story.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Really?   I hope that's what it is. I have yet to put new oil in, It
>>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>>> for straight 30-weight, nothing special.  If it had synthetic, am I
>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>> to use just synthetic?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you sure it wasn't synthetic?  Some of that starts out that color.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I just did the first oil change on a new Briggs 20hp engine. The oil
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> blacker than any oil I have ever seen.  I checked the air filter and
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> than some dust, it looked fine.  Although they don’t call for an oil
>>>>>>> filter
>>>>>>> change, I replaced it as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anyone ever seen this before?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>>
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