[AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine

[David Rotigel]

While I have ENJOYED all the "ideas" everyone has offered (if it were mine) I would put new oil and filter on the unit and mow the grass. It's under guarantee, is it not?
	Dave

On Aug 10, 2014, at 4:21 PM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:

> Not being an expert on oil, I am guessing it feels about the same. It was 
> not sludge, just jet black oil.  I was going to hold onto it in case anyone 
> wanted to see/test it.  Unfortunately, it got dumped in with other oil and 
> was carted off to a friend's place that uses it for heating.  I'm sure there 
> is still plenty in the engine.  So right now it sits with little to no oil 
> in it. The key is removed :)
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Mike
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:44 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
> 
> Dick, was the oil really thin (diluted) or was it normal other than the
> color?
> 
> Mike M
> 
> On 8/10/2014 2:54 PM, DDSS wrote:
>> All I have done so far is drain the oil and replace the oil filter.  When 
>> I
>> saw how black the oil was, I stopped and am waiting for some direction 
>> from
>> B&S.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Knierim
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:18 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>> 
>> Molybdenum disulfide has or can have a very black appearance; it used to 
>> be
>> (maybe still is) recommended for use on new (non-roller) camshafts.
>> Perhaps the break-in oil for this engine had some in it? I agree with 
>> Steve
>> O...  very hard to tell by the color. There may be extenuating
>> circumstances.
>> 
>> B&S is still on the hook for warranty, right? Follow the book...
>> 
>> Just my $0.02
>> Ken in AZ
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:34 AM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks guys.   Just as soon as I hear back from Briggs, I'll post it 
>>> here.
>>> 
>>> Dick
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Spencer Yost
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:30 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>> 
>>> I must admit I've never had this problem with the gasoline engines I have
>>> rebuilt or bought.    My cub cadet kohler engine has 285 hours and still
>>> has
>>> clean oil when I change it.  But in your case there could have been an
>>> additive or something added at the factory discoloring the oil.
>>> 
>>> Like Steve, I would change the oil and not worry about it.  If I continue
>>> to
>>> see very dark oil without at least some improvement, I would probably 
>>> call
>>> the factory.   Not sure they would say anything helpful, but like you 
>>> this
>>> is so out of my normal experience I would want to bounce it off someone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now diesel - that's a different matter.
>>> 
>>> Spencer
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:06, Steve Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The blackest oil I have ever seen came from the hydro units on my
>>>> Gravely
>>>> ZT at the scheduled 125 hr service.  It was just as black as used oil
>>>> out
>>>> of a diesel.  This surprised the heck out of me - hydro units; there's
>>>> no
>>>> combustion blow-by to make it dirty!
>>>> 
>>>> What's my point?   You cannot tell anything definitive from oil color.
>>>> Period.  I am as certain as I can be from this distance that everything
>>> is
>>>> perfectly fine with the Briggs.   The first sign of something bad in an
>>>> engine is either bad noise or smoke, not oil color.
>>>> 
>>>> SO
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 5:42 AM, "DDSS" <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DDSS
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:27 PM
>>>>> To: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>> 
>>>>> Husqvarna r220t mower with an Endurance (Intek) 20 horse. Husqvarna
>>>>> re-badges the Intek engine as "Endurance".  Checked with Briggs and
>>> there
>>>>> is
>>>>> no difference between this and an Intek.  The Briggs manual I received
>>>>> with
>>>>> it is for Intek.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It was shipped to me in sealed factory wooden crates. The oil was in
>>>>> the
>>>>> engine when I received it. It now has 8.1 hours.  Drained the oil and
>>>>> it
>>>>> was
>>>>> black.  I followed the steps on the prep sheet.  Next oil change is at
>>> 25
>>>>> hours.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 5:08 PM
>>>>> To: DDSS
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>> 
>>>>> New Briggs engine on what?  A mower?  Did it come from a big box store?
>>>>> Oil
>>>>> is not supplied with a crated mower, and whoever serviced it prior to
>>>>> delivery may have pulled whatever was handy off the shelf. Having once
>>>>> done
>>>>> warranty service for Briggs through a big box store, I treat their
>>>>> make-ready service with suspicion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I betcha they didn't retorque the drive wheels or check the air
>>>>> pressure
>>>>> in
>>>>> the tires, either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's what i mean by there being more to the story.  BUT, having a
>>>>> different oil in it for eight hours is not going to make any
>>>>> difference.
>>>>> When's the next oil change called for? 50 hours? Some manufacturers
>>>>> have
>>>>> the
>>>>> hour-meter automatically start blinking when it hits that reading, and
>>>>> automatically stop blinking after a couple of running hours.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Larry
>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "More to the story"?   The V-twin engine has an oil filter, the manual
>>>>>> calls
>>>>>> for straight 30 weight, the oil that I drained from there is black.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not sure what else I can add.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 4:33 PM
>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And you waid it has an oil filter? On modern engines, that typically
>>>>>> means
>>>>>> you can use multi-viscosity oil rather than single weight because you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> pressurized system.  I suspect there is more to this story.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Really?   I hope that's what it is. I have yet to put new oil in, It
>>>>>>> calls
>>>>>> for straight 30-weight, nothing special.  If it had synthetic, am I
>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>> to use just synthetic?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you sure it wasn't synthetic?  Some of that starts out that color.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I just did the first oil change on a new Briggs 20hp engine. The oil
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>> blacker than any oil I have ever seen.  I checked the air filter and
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> than some dust, it looked fine.  Although they don’t call for an oil
>>>>>> filter
>>>>>> change, I replaced it as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has anyone ever seen this before?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dick
>>>>>>