[AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine

Sun Aug 10 12:44:28 PDT 2014

Dick, was the oil really thin (diluted) or was it normal other than the 
color?

Mike M

On 8/10/2014 2:54 PM, DDSS wrote:
> All I have done so far is drain the oil and replace the oil filter.  When I
> saw how black the oil was, I stopped and am waiting for some direction from
> B&S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Knierim
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:18 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>
> Molybdenum disulfide has or can have a very black appearance; it used to be
> (maybe still is) recommended for use on new (non-roller) camshafts.
> Perhaps the break-in oil for this engine had some in it? I agree with Steve
> O...  very hard to tell by the color. There may be extenuating
> circumstances.
>
> B&S is still on the hook for warranty, right? Follow the book...
>
> Just my $0.02
> Ken in AZ
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:34 AM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys.   Just as soon as I hear back from Briggs, I'll post it here.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Spencer Yost
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:30 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>
>> I must admit I've never had this problem with the gasoline engines I have
>> rebuilt or bought.    My cub cadet kohler engine has 285 hours and still
>> has
>> clean oil when I change it.  But in your case there could have been an
>> additive or something added at the factory discoloring the oil.
>>
>> Like Steve, I would change the oil and not worry about it.  If I continue
>> to
>> see very dark oil without at least some improvement, I would probably call
>> the factory.   Not sure they would say anything helpful, but like you this
>> is so out of my normal experience I would want to bounce it off someone.
>>
>>
>> Now diesel - that's a different matter.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:06, Steve Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The blackest oil I have ever seen came from the hydro units on my
>>> Gravely
>>> ZT at the scheduled 125 hr service.  It was just as black as used oil
>>> out
>>> of a diesel.  This surprised the heck out of me - hydro units; there's
>>> no
>>> combustion blow-by to make it dirty!
>>>
>>> What's my point?   You cannot tell anything definitive from oil color.
>>> Period.  I am as certain as I can be from this distance that everything
>> is
>>> perfectly fine with the Briggs.   The first sign of something bad in an
>>> engine is either bad noise or smoke, not oil color.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 5:42 AM, "DDSS" <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DDSS
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:27 PM
>>>> To: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>
>>>> Husqvarna r220t mower with an Endurance (Intek) 20 horse. Husqvarna
>>>> re-badges the Intek engine as "Endurance".  Checked with Briggs and
>> there
>>>> is
>>>> no difference between this and an Intek.  The Briggs manual I received
>>>> with
>>>> it is for Intek.
>>>>
>>>> It was shipped to me in sealed factory wooden crates. The oil was in
>>>> the
>>>> engine when I received it. It now has 8.1 hours.  Drained the oil and
>>>> it
>>>> was
>>>> black.  I followed the steps on the prep sheet.  Next oil change is at
>> 25
>>>> hours.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 5:08 PM
>>>> To: DDSS
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>
>>>> New Briggs engine on what?  A mower?  Did it come from a big box store?
>>>> Oil
>>>> is not supplied with a crated mower, and whoever serviced it prior to
>>>> delivery may have pulled whatever was handy off the shelf. Having once
>>>> done
>>>> warranty service for Briggs through a big box store, I treat their
>>>> make-ready service with suspicion.
>>>>
>>>> I betcha they didn't retorque the drive wheels or check the air
>>>> pressure
>>>> in
>>>> the tires, either.
>>>>
>>>> That's what i mean by there being more to the story.  BUT, having a
>>>> different oil in it for eight hours is not going to make any
>>>> difference.
>>>> When's the next oil change called for? 50 hours? Some manufacturers
>>>> have
>>>> the
>>>> hour-meter automatically start blinking when it hits that reading, and
>>>> automatically stop blinking after a couple of running hours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>> "More to the story"?   The V-twin engine has an oil filter, the manual
>>>>> calls
>>>>> for straight 30 weight, the oil that I drained from there is black.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure what else I can add.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 4:33 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>
>>>>> And you waid it has an oil filter? On modern engines, that typically
>>>>> means
>>>>> you can use multi-viscosity oil rather than single weight because you
>>>>> have
>>>>> a
>>>>> pressurized system.  I suspect there is more to this story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Really?   I hope that's what it is. I have yet to put new oil in, It
>>>>>> calls
>>>>> for straight 30-weight, nothing special.  If it had synthetic, am I
>>>>> supposed
>>>>> to use just synthetic?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure it wasn't synthetic?  Some of that starts out that color.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I just did the first oil change on a new Briggs 20hp engine. The oil
>>>>>> was
>>>>> blacker than any oil I have ever seen.  I checked the air filter and
>>>>> other
>>>>> than some dust, it looked fine.  Although they don’t call for an oil
>>>>> filter
>>>>> change, I replaced it as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone ever seen this before?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick
>>>>>
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