[AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine

Sun Aug 10 13:21:30 PDT 2014

Not being an expert on oil, I am guessing it feels about the same. It was 
not sludge, just jet black oil.  I was going to hold onto it in case anyone 
wanted to see/test it.  Unfortunately, it got dumped in with other oil and 
was carted off to a friend's place that uses it for heating.  I'm sure there 
is still plenty in the engine.  So right now it sits with little to no oil 
in it. The key is removed :)

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:44 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine

Dick, was the oil really thin (diluted) or was it normal other than the
color?

Mike M

On 8/10/2014 2:54 PM, DDSS wrote:
> All I have done so far is drain the oil and replace the oil filter.  When 
> I
> saw how black the oil was, I stopped and am waiting for some direction 
> from
> B&S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Knierim
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 1:18 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>
> Molybdenum disulfide has or can have a very black appearance; it used to 
> be
> (maybe still is) recommended for use on new (non-roller) camshafts.
> Perhaps the break-in oil for this engine had some in it? I agree with 
> Steve
> O...  very hard to tell by the color. There may be extenuating
> circumstances.
>
> B&S is still on the hook for warranty, right? Follow the book...
>
> Just my $0.02
> Ken in AZ
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:34 AM, DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys.   Just as soon as I hear back from Briggs, I'll post it 
>> here.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Spencer Yost
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:30 AM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Fw: Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>
>> I must admit I've never had this problem with the gasoline engines I have
>> rebuilt or bought.    My cub cadet kohler engine has 285 hours and still
>> has
>> clean oil when I change it.  But in your case there could have been an
>> additive or something added at the factory discoloring the oil.
>>
>> Like Steve, I would change the oil and not worry about it.  If I continue
>> to
>> see very dark oil without at least some improvement, I would probably 
>> call
>> the factory.   Not sure they would say anything helpful, but like you 
>> this
>> is so out of my normal experience I would want to bounce it off someone.
>>
>>
>> Now diesel - that's a different matter.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:06, Steve Offiler <soffiler at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The blackest oil I have ever seen came from the hydro units on my
>>> Gravely
>>> ZT at the scheduled 125 hr service.  It was just as black as used oil
>>> out
>>> of a diesel.  This surprised the heck out of me - hydro units; there's
>>> no
>>> combustion blow-by to make it dirty!
>>>
>>> What's my point?   You cannot tell anything definitive from oil color.
>>> Period.  I am as certain as I can be from this distance that everything
>> is
>>> perfectly fine with the Briggs.   The first sign of something bad in an
>>> engine is either bad noise or smoke, not oil color.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2014, at 5:42 AM, "DDSS" <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DDSS
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:27 PM
>>>> To: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>
>>>> Husqvarna r220t mower with an Endurance (Intek) 20 horse. Husqvarna
>>>> re-badges the Intek engine as "Endurance".  Checked with Briggs and
>> there
>>>> is
>>>> no difference between this and an Intek.  The Briggs manual I received
>>>> with
>>>> it is for Intek.
>>>>
>>>> It was shipped to me in sealed factory wooden crates. The oil was in
>>>> the
>>>> engine when I received it. It now has 8.1 hours.  Drained the oil and
>>>> it
>>>> was
>>>> black.  I followed the steps on the prep sheet.  Next oil change is at
>> 25
>>>> hours.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 5:08 PM
>>>> To: DDSS
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>
>>>> New Briggs engine on what?  A mower?  Did it come from a big box store?
>>>> Oil
>>>> is not supplied with a crated mower, and whoever serviced it prior to
>>>> delivery may have pulled whatever was handy off the shelf. Having once
>>>> done
>>>> warranty service for Briggs through a big box store, I treat their
>>>> make-ready service with suspicion.
>>>>
>>>> I betcha they didn't retorque the drive wheels or check the air
>>>> pressure
>>>> in
>>>> the tires, either.
>>>>
>>>> That's what i mean by there being more to the story.  BUT, having a
>>>> different oil in it for eight hours is not going to make any
>>>> difference.
>>>> When's the next oil change called for? 50 hours? Some manufacturers
>>>> have
>>>> the
>>>> hour-meter automatically start blinking when it hits that reading, and
>>>> automatically stop blinking after a couple of running hours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>> "More to the story"?   The V-twin engine has an oil filter, the manual
>>>>> calls
>>>>> for straight 30 weight, the oil that I drained from there is black.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure what else I can add.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 4:33 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>
>>>>> And you waid it has an oil filter? On modern engines, that typically
>>>>> means
>>>>> you can use multi-viscosity oil rather than single weight because you
>>>>> have
>>>>> a
>>>>> pressurized system.  I suspect there is more to this story.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Really?   I hope that's what it is. I have yet to put new oil in, It
>>>>>> calls
>>>>> for straight 30-weight, nothing special.  If it had synthetic, am I
>>>>> supposed
>>>>> to use just synthetic?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: rlgoss at twc.com
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 2:52 PM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Cc: DDSS
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Black oil after 8hrs in new engine
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure it wasn't synthetic?  Some of that starts out that color.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>> ---- DDSS <ddss at telebeep.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I just did the first oil change on a new Briggs 20hp engine. The oil
>>>>>> was
>>>>> blacker than any oil I have ever seen.  I checked the air filter and
>>>>> other
>>>>> than some dust, it looked fine.  Although they don’t call for an oil
>>>>> filter
>>>>> change, I replaced it as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone ever seen this before?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick
>>>>>
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