[AT] In the market for a rural place

[charlie hill]

Cecil,  I always thought there were laws against diverting water onto or 
away from another
land owner?   It's not a problem where I live.  If anything we have to much 
water but
it seems there should be some legal remedy for you from the guy that 
diverted the water.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cecil R Bearden
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:06 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] In the market for a rural place

My advice to anyone looking at a place to move/retire to is find one you
can grow a garden on.   We live NW of Oklahoma City on 80 acres that
were bought by my folks as an investment without really investigating
the details.   When my wife and I moved out here, we later built a house
near the old homestead site, but growing a garden for food is next to
impossible.  Water cannot be found on this whole place.  There is some
surface water that comes from springs on neighboring land. The best
source was diverted by a rich newcomer so he could have a pond to look
at.  Livestock water is now from a rural water system. Our water bill is
never less than $75/month.  The red clay n this area is either hard as a
rock or slicker than #2 gun grease.  When dry the ground will crack open
as much as 2 inches and nearly 2 ft deep.  When the cracks close up, the
ground quits absorbing water.  You can move 1/4 to 1/2 mile in any
direction and the land is totally different.   Soil surveys do not
explain this either.  This land is one of the highest points in the
county and it appears  that it was just under the beach when the Permian
sea was at full level.  When the sea receded the first time, the sand
moved down slope and left this #@$% red clay.  It is only good for
pasture ground and it takes many years to get the native grasses to
cover completely.  What good soil was left on this piece of land was
washed away with the farming practices of the dirty 30's.   We had a
garden over the lateral field of our house trailer we lived in when we
first moved here.  I brought in a semi load of river sand, and a truck
load of cow manure from a feedlot.  Then 3 pickup loads of grass
clippings from the city.  I roto tilled this several times before
planting.   Water was supplied by pumping from a water hole in the creek
and hauled by a tank trailer to water the garden.   Now, due to
development, upstream there is no water in the creek nor in the spring.
Well water is non-existent, we have 3 dry wells, and we only water with
rural water.   Selling out would involve a lot of work and probably
might not result in much improvement except a place to grow a garden, we
have been here over 30 years.  Now that we have time to move and could
afford it, we just don't have the energy.

As I stated at the first.  Find a place you can grow your own food on,
it will be necessary in the future.

Cecil in OKla

On 10/30/2013 1:00 PM, John Slavin wrote:
> My son-in-law and I were having a conversation about this topic a couple 
> weeks ago.  He's career navy and will be retiring in a few years and was 
> just thinking outloud about some farmland.  He has some rather specific 
> needs and wants a mix of rolling, treed and tillable farmland.  It is not 
> as easy as a city person might think to find land with all the attributes 
> you want within a certain proximity of the place you want to live, at the 
> price you want to pay.  It's the old, you can have two out three deal.
>
> Plus, I have been observing that some auction houses in particular, and to 
> a lesser extent realtors, are splitting out the tillable farmland from the 
> rolling ground, so instead of 40/80 acre tracts, or combinations thereof, 
> you end up with gerrymandered metes and bounds tracts of prime farmland or 
> rough land sold separately from each other.  Makes sense, given how 
> expensive land has gotten, but makes it more difficult to buy a farm with 
> a combination of land use types. Just the other day I saw a farm that had 
> been together for generations split up.  The bottom ground and flat upland 
> was sold to out-of-state investors.  The hill and rolling upland (that the 
> investors might perceive as junk) was sold to a completely different kind 
> of buyer.
>
> John
>
> John C. Slavin
> jslavin at marktwain.net
>
> Everything around you that you call life was made up by people who are no 
> smarter than you.  Steve Jobs.
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 06:24:10 -0400
>> From: "Dean Vinson" <dean at vinsonfarm.net>
>> Subject: Re: [AT] In the market for a rural place
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>> Thanks very much, gentlemen.  I've had some electronic searches set up 
>> via a
>> realtor for a couple of years now, just to get familiar with what's out
>> there, and got pretty serious about it last spring.
>>
>> In August we let an auction get away from us that I still have some 
>> regrets
>> over...the house and barn weren't much but if there's a nicer parcel of
>> rolling USDA-prime farmland, pasture, and hardwood woods in southwest 
>> Ohio,
>> I don't know where it would be.
>>
>> Gene, I'd be honored to be your close neighbor and would love to get some
>> plowing time in with the Super M.  As it turns out I might at least come 
>> a
>> good ways in your direction--there's a place west of Urbana that we just
>> decided to go take a third look at.  First look resulted in "Wow, this 
>> could
>> be it."  Second look resulted in "But there are some practical issues 
>> that
>> we're not entirely sure we're up for, so probably best to keep looking."
>> But that decision isn't setting too well...so time to go back and make 
>> sure.
>>
>> Dean Vinson
>> Dayton, Ohio
>> www.vinsonfarm.net
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