[AT] Antique Tractor & Hit & Miss Engines Sale
David Bruce
davidbruce at yadtel.net
Wed Oct 16 14:21:58 PDT 2013
I also really miss Cecil. Never met him in person but through his
dedication to the list it was obvious I would have liked him a lot. I
understand not turning the list into a glorified classified but given
the general lack of antique tractor content of late I did not mind the
original post one bit. If I minded I have a delete key.
David
NW NC
On 10/16/2013 4:49 PM, Mattias Kessén wrote:
> I thought the name Raquel Elle Bell had special ring to it.
> Seriously, when I woke up and read I thought "she can't write that". Sadly
> I was right. We got to think about that and what it says about us, do
> something about it or get back to complaining about how slow this list is.
>
> Mattias at his sauna
>
> P.s. Cecil Monson is still missed though I never met him.
> Den 16 okt 2013 22:20 skrev "Chuck Saunders"<gooberdog at gmail.com>:
>
>> I think that our response is the result of guilt by association. As more
>> and more forums and internet lists get invaded by true undeniable spammers
>> and the signal to noise ratio has decreased, our patience over these
>> interruptions and yes threats to the list have caused or tolerance level to
>> drop. I can't fault Raquel for being a girl and not named Fred, but because
>> woman do not reflect our demographic that was probably another checkmark in
>> the spammer list. As a result the tally came back as
>> First Post is advertising sale
>> Post is from (gasp) a female
>> Tagged onto a different thread
>>
>> Probably best described as a knee jerk reaction and should serve as a
>> reminder that not all people are bad. I think we messed up this time guys (
>> I thought it was spam too)
>>
>> Chuck Saunders
>> KC MO
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:38 PM, charlie hill<charliehill at embarqmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can remember well when we had two tire dealers on the list
>>> that participated but always spoke up when someone mentioned tires.
>>> Someone in the group (forgive me I don't remember who) was/is in the
>>> business of re-producing old repair manuals and was always offering to
>>> buy or borrow ones we have to be copied and offering to sell manuals to
>> us.
>>> Then someone mentioned the paint man. Neil Yeargin helped us with
>>> our mags but we bought his book too. Roger Welch begged, borrowed and
>>> stole our comments for his books and national TV spots that he made
>>> his living from.
>>>
>>> I didn't mind any of that and I don't mind the ladies post today. I do
>>> think she
>>> could have taken a little more time and care in constructing her message
>>> but
>>> I don't think the fact that she sent it to us was out of line. She
>> didn't
>>> know and was our guest.
>>> I wonder how .... no I KNOW how.... Cecil Monson would have viewed our
>>> response
>>> to her.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tom
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 3:19 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Antique Tractor& Hit& Miss Engines Sale
>>>
>>> Well I for one, found her post and the auction site, a lot more palatable
>>> than the posts of those who chose to vent their spleen over something
>>> that happens all the time...
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Bob Davenport<bobdavenport at bellsouth.net>
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group<
>> at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 17 October 2013 7:39 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Antique Tractor& Hit& Miss Engines Sale
>>>>
>>>> I have been a member of this list for many years. I think maybe since
>>>> about
>>>> 1995 or so. You could probably count my posts on your ten fingers. I
>>>> just
>>>> read the postings that interest me and as of late that ain't many of
>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Why in "h___" wouldn't you be interested in knowing of an auction
>>>> like this?
>>>> Maybe she was wanting to help the outcome of the auction, So what?
>> She
>>>> didn't cost anyone on this list any money or harm anybody. No one had
>>> to
>>>> read her posts but maybe someone who hadn't heard about it might it
>>>> helpful.
>>>>
>>>> There've probably been thousands of posts about auctions, one just
>> very
>>>> recently. Seems like this list has a few core members and if you
>> aren't
>>>> one of them you don't seem to be very welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Davenport
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Dan Glass"<dglass at numail.org>
>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:44 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Antique Tractor& Hit& Miss Engines Sale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think Raquel did anything wrong either but being a member in
>>>>> good standings of the old curmudgeons guild sometimes we just have to
>>>>> comment. Someone had listed that auction previously but I thought
>> her
>>>>> story about Big Al and the Twins just added a human touch to the
>> thing.
>>>>> Anyway, I have never seen a tricycle G before. I looked at the
>>>> photo's
>>>>> and they use most of the stock steering parts but I don't think AC
>> ever
>>>>> offered one like that. I might steer ok for parades but I think any
>>> use
>>>>> in the field might be hampered without a heavy weight. The two wheel
>>>>> steering is hard enough without weights. Those little tractors have
>> a
>>>>> mind of their own when cultivating sometimes.
>>>>> On 10/16/2013 7:00 AM, Will Powell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Auctions are a huge part of tractor collecting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What was that large auction topic that was bombarding the list a
>> month
>>>> or
>>>>>> two ago? I can't remember anyone getting slapped down over that
>>>> topic?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps Raquel should have said something like "Has anyone seen
>>>> the three
>>>>>> wheeled G at WV auction?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or "Anyone going to the Lapp Auction in Lancaster this
>>>> Sunday?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Come to think of it, what is the large tractor auction in
>> Lancaster?
>>>>>> It's usually in February? My father and I would always go. Bergeys?
>>>> Was
>>>>>> that it? It's been so long since I've been to an auction...
>>>> I've been
>>>>>> paying tuition now for 8 years with two more years to go... I can't
>>>> wait
>>>>>> for my youngest to graduate so I can be a consumer again...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe new posters should be given a little more slack?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Joe Hazewinkel"<jahaze at aol.com>
>>>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
>>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:35:48 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Antique Tractor& Hit& Miss Engines Sale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You guys sure are a grumpy bunch. It's those kind of mean spirited
>>>> posts
>>>>>> that will kill this list once and for all. At this point and time,
>>> any
>>>>
>>>>>> post is better than none at all. At least she wasn't pushing male
>>>>
>>>>>> enhancement pills, I've got enough of those to last several
>>>> lifetimes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent via mobile device
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2013, at 12:27 AM, k7jdj at aol..com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember a paint guy doing more or less the same thing several
>> years
>>>>>> ago and I sure don't remember a big fuss about that. Of course I
>>>> think
>>>>>> Walt was the big distraction then.. Not like there has been a lot
>> of
>>>>>> traffic lately and my computer has a delete key.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>> Renton WA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Charlie V<1cdevill at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, Oct 15, 2013 7:08 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Antique Tractor& Hit& Miss Engines Sale
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As stated, Dave, none of my business. Control of this list as we
>> all
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> is 100% up to Spencer. Having said that, I will now say that it
>> rubs
>>>> my
>>>>>> fur backwards when folks think they can slip in the back door and
>>>> nobody
>>>>>> will notice. When I see this type activity, I always wonder why
>>> anyone
>>>>>> thinks that taking advantage or being underhanded will make anyone
>>> want
>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> do business with them.??????????
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, just my 2 cents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie V., just another collector, sort of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:10 PM, David Rotigel
>>>> <rotigel at me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well said Charlie--and I could NOT agree more!
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Charlie V
>>>> <1cdevill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> None of my business, but I am guessing possibly 1000 other
>>>> auction
>>>>>>>> companies around the country would enjoy free advertising also.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlie V.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://wsmauctioneers.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Raquel Elle Bell<
>>>>>>> raquel at wsmauctioneers.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My name is Raquel and I wanted to let everyone know about
>>>> an auction
>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>>> up. The items in the auction belonged to the father of my
>>>> boss "Big
>>>>>>> John"
>>>>>>>>> Cadzow. Unfortunately Big John passed away and now we are
>>>> auctioning
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> collection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to join this group so that I could get the word
>>>> out to people
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> cared as much about this machinery as Big John did. I do
>>>> not want to
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> too much time on post so if anyone is interested in the
>>>> auction please
>>>>>>>>> message me off thread for details. My email is
>>>>>>> raquel at wsmauctioneers.com
>>>>>>>>> Here are a couple things coming up in the auction....
>>>>>>>>> 1956 Sheppard Diesel SD4TC Tractor
>>>>>>>>> Eimco Power Horse Tractor
>>>>>>>>> Ruston& Hornshy 17hp Diesel Mark CR
>>>>>>>>> Oliver HG Cletrac Wid Trac Crawler Tractor
>>>>>>>>> Allis Chalmers G
>>>>>>>>> John Deere 1 1/2hp Hit& Miss Engine
>>>>>>>>> Waterloo Boy 4hp Hit& Miss Engine
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really want these to go to someone who really appreciates
>>>> them and
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> just a collector.
>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>> Raquel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:at-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:45 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] PTO compressors
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not sure where Dick's son lives that there aren't
>>>> sprinkler companies
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> hundreds of miles, but I can see how renting one might be
>>>> hard. Here
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> northern US, blowing out sprinkler systems is a big
>>>> business in the
>>>>>>> fall. A
>>>>>>>>> lot of small fly by night operations go into the sprinkler
>>>> blow out
>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>> in the fall, and rent the compressors by the month.
>>>>>>>>> They can't afford, nor would it be a good idea for them
>>>> to buy them,
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> sit for 10 months unused. No way could I justify owning one
>>>> for a once
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> year use.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dick, one thing your son might want to check into is having
>>>> self
>>>>>>> draining
>>>>>>>>> valves added to his existing system. I had a system
>>>> installed in
>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>> house that had drains on each line. When the circuit was
>>>> active, water
>>>>>>>>> pressure would keep the drain closed. When the pressure was
>>>> gone the
>>>>>>> drain
>>>>>>>>> opened and the circuit was drained. This was in Michigan,
>>>> and we never
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> problem. I suspect with the right parts it is a DIY
>>>> project. Heck of
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>> cheaper than a compressor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.orbitonline.com/products/Valves/02/16/16/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike M
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2013 6:51 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> That seems strange to me. Not doubting it at all but
>>>> in this little
>>>>>>>>>> county of 90,000 where I live I promise you I could
>>>> rent half a dozen
>>>>>>>>>> of them or more tomorrow before
>>>>>>>>>> 9 am. If I ventured out into 3 other adjoining
>>>> counties I could rent
>>>>>>>>>> many more than that. I know one rental company that we
>>>> do a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> business with about 5 miles from here that probably has
>>>> 20 or more on
>>>>>>>>>> his lot at any given time ranging from 165 cfm to 1100
>>>> cfm. The only
>>>>>>>>>> time he is short on them is if one of about 3
>>>> industrial plants
>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>> here is having a big maintenance outage. Then they
>>>> kind of get in
>>>>>>>>>> short supply but there is always one or two available.
>>>> In addition
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> that privately held rental outfit there is another
>>>> private one in the
>>>>>>>>>> other end of the county
>>>>>>>>>> and 3 national/regional outfits within 50 miles.
>>>> We've got the
>>>>>>>>>> locals
>>>>>>>>>> and then Sunbelt and NEFF and NES and on down the road
>>>> about 100
>>>>>>>>>> miles
>>>>>>>>>> is Hertz. Neff and NES have several yards spread
>>>> around this area.
>>>>>>>>>> A lot of Home Depot stores in NC have Sunbelt rental
>>>> stores inside of
>>>>>>>>>> the Home Depot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Ron Cook
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] PTO compressors
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dick,
>>>>>>>>>> That is WAY too much lawn. Interesting about the
>>>> compressor
>>>>>>>>>> rentals. No wonder my friend would like this one going
>>>> I am working
>>>>>>>>>> on. Actually it is going, just the speed control is
>>>> worn so bad it
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work properly, and I have it torn apart so
>>>> he can't run off
>>>>>>>>>> with it. If it were mine, I would just put a throttle
>>>> on it and let
>>>>>>>>>> the governor run it where I have it set. He wants it
>>>> to slow down
>>>>>>>>>> when air is not being demanded. Oh, well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ron Cook
>>>>>>>>>> Salix, iA
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2013 12:26 PM, Dick Day wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ron, actually he lives just outside of Chicago.
>>>> The 5 acres is his
>>>>>>>>> lawn
>>>>>>>>>>> size. I suggested that he just rent one but he
>>>> said the 2 rental
>>>>>>>>>>> places anywhere near him have them rented out for
>>>> the next 2 months.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Ron Cook"
>>>> <ron at lakeport-1.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:35 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion
>>>> group"
>>>>>>>>>>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] PTO compressors
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dick,
>>>>>>>>>>>> He must be involved with those melons and
>>>> pumpkins not far
>>>>>>>>>>>> from you. I was surprised a few years ago when
>>>> at the airport, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> saw cactus growing in the sand. I had no idea
>>>> you had a little
>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of AZ
>>>>>>>>>>>> there.:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the towable screw compressors work
>>>> quite well for that
>>>>>>>>>>>> job. You do have another engine to keep
>>>> operational besides a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tractor, so I can understand wanting a pto
>>>> powered unit. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> working on an old compressor in my shop that
>>>> belongs to a friend of
>>>>>>>>>>>> mine. He wants to get it going to blow out
>>>> lawn sprinkler systems.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The compressor needs to turn at about 1700 rpm
>>>> for 90 lbs of
>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure at some unreal cfm figure. Maybe 160
>>>> cfm? If I get it
>>>>>>>>>>>> going, it will supply air for my blasting
>>>> cabinet as payment for my
>>>>>>>>>>>> work. Or, maybe I should just tell him it is
>>>> hopeless and buy it
>>>>>>>>>>>> from him?????:-) ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ron Cook
>>>>>>>>>>>> Salix, IA
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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