[AT] Ford 4000 Quitting Afer Running a While

[Dave Rotigel]

"BTW The first instruction was: If you turned around on the range with a stopped SMG
in your hands, you got decked! 
Experience had shown that some stoppages were momentary! :-)" 

Was that on ALL THE CASES when the 99.9999% (ie running out of ammo) did not apply?
	Dave

On Jul 14, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Tom wrote:

> it's all about experience. When I was in basic training, firing on the range with smgs,
> the first action (instruction) when addressing a stoppage was to fit another mag and
> recock the weapon and continue firing. The reason? 99.9999% percent of the time,
> experience had shown a stoppage with a Sterling smg, was because it had run out
> of ammo! :-)
> 
> Similarly with your tractor. A hand on the coil would have been all it took after the
> establishment no spark. Hot coil = dud 99.999% OT.
> However experience can come at a cost if there is not a degree of training or education
> involved somewhere along the track...:-)
> That's why people who "repair" things, charge what they do! :-(
> Funnily enough, around here, motorcycle repair hourly rates are higher than automotive!
> 
> BTW The first instruction was: If you turned around on the range with a stopped SMG
> in your hands, you got decked! 
> Experience had shown that some stoppages were momentary! :-)
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: David Bruce <davidbruce at yadtel.net>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com> 
>> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013 9:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Ford 4000 Quitting Afer Running a While
>> 
>> 
>> Yes when ignoring the multiple trips to purchase parts.  I see both 
>> points of view but I agree with Dave here.  Plus the given that the 
>> history of any work done on the tractor is suspect.  If it was simply 
>> the time required to change the parts individually that would be my 
>> decision but for me each parts run would take at the minimum of an hour 
>> that could be used for mowing.
>> 
>> David
>> NW NC
>> 
>> On 7/14/2013 4:28 PM, Tom wrote:
>>> No, Dave, it would take me about 5 seconds to check the points
>>>    and condenser and 5 minutes to change the coil.
>>> 
>>> One mustn't compare one's own experience with another's; some
>>> of us actually know how things work....
>>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Dave Rotigel<rotigel at me.com>
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, 15 July 2013 7:42 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Ford 4000 Quitting Afer Running a While
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yup, You could take 27 hours checking out ALL the necessary parts, or you could spend $100.00 and an hour of labor and get the same results. If your time is only worth $3-$4 dollars an hour, GO FOR IT!
>>>>       Dave
>>>> PS, For $100, I wouldn't give a darn what fixed it as long as it was cutting the grass once more!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 14, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Tom wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The traditional garage money-making way?
>>>>> Then you're still left not knowing which fixed the problem...
>>>>> To me, it sounds like the coil, coils can simulate a fuel problem then
>>>>> when cool work again; points are either good or bad; condensers are the
>>>>> most maligned component in a coil setup, but minimal labour to fit with
>>>>> points:- get replaced due to belts&  braces (suspenders?) approaches.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: "jtchall at nc.rr.com"<jtchall at nc.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 14 July 2013 11:46 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Ford 4000 Quitting Afer Running a While
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm suggesting a shotgun approach--points, coil and condenser.. Mine and
>>>>>> dad's experience has been coils go out pretty quickly, as in seconds not
>>>>>> minutes, leading me to think it could be the condenser, but I'd bet on the
>>>>>> coil first. Considering the tractor is not at your house, it appears to be a
>>>>>> bit of inconvenience to work on it, that’s why I'd change it all and be done
>>>>>> with it. If all that doesn't solve the problem, I'd look into vapor locking.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Hall
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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