[AT] Water Lines

Fri Jan 4 21:01:46 PST 2013

Dave you raise the question I have every day.   Do I replace the fitting 
with something superior, Do I replace the corner post with steel instead 
of the old electric poles?  Do I replace the truck or tractor tire with 
another used one, or buy new.
The problem is most of this stuff lasted 25 to 35 years.  If I replace 
itwith the same thing,, I may not be around to repair it next time, or I 
may have to repair it again, only I will be that much older and may not 
be able to replace it......!!!!!

I tend now to repair with the best possible item I can..   I am getting 
too old to keep fixing things.........

Cecil in OKla

On 1/4/2013 10:02 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> It would be an interesting test to use both brass fittings and plastic fittings about one foot from each other and then see which failed first. I would, however, recommend that this test be conducted on a neighbor's water line!
> 	Dave
>
> On Jan 4, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Mike Meulenberg wrote:
>
>> I wasn't aware that they made brass fittings, so that is what I based by recommendation of plastic fittings on. I'm sure you'll agree that plastics have come a long way since the 70's and 80's. My thought would be to try to get as few fittings as possible by ordering a 500 or 1000 ft roll and only have two fittings, one at the meter and one at the house.
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>> Mike M
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>> Cecil,
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>> No, Shark Bites can not be buried. Here is a link to the Ford brand
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>> http://www.fordmeterbox.com/products/productview.php?catSec=J
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>> Gary
>> Renton, WA
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden <crbearden at copper.net>
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 6:41 pm
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Water Lines
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>> Are those Ford fittings what we call Shark Bite fittings here??
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>> On 1/4/2013 7:49 PM, k7jdj at aol.com wrote:
>>> As I said in a previous post I would not use plastic fittings with poly pipe.
>> All of the fittings I used in the 70's in my own installation failed in the
>> 90's. One was under the concrete in my shop. The pipe was buried with sand and
>> I still had fitting failures and yes they were schedule 40. In my business I
>> have repaired/replaced 100 psi pipe and plastic fittings. They have been good
>> for my business. They seem to last about 10 to 20 years. I agree that galvanized
>> steel fittings are not good so I use brass. If I can convince the customer, I
>> use compression fittings (some plumbers call them Ford fittings, which is a
>> brand name). That is what all of the water districts use in this area. Most of
>> the water districts in my area (Western Washington) require 200 psi 1 inch Iron
>> Pipe Size (IPS). Glued pipe is discouraged and in some cases not allowed.
>>> Gary
>>> Renton, WA
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Meulenberg <meulenms at gmx.com>
>>> To: at <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 1:31 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Water Lines
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>>> Was just at Lowes and they have 100' x 1" for 54.00 it's the 160 psi variety,
>> I
>>> suspect you may be able to special order a 500' coil. They had larger sized as
>>> well. I agree with Cecil, I would use plastic fitting with Marine grade
>> clamps,
>>> the steel ones rust and corrode. I would choose poly over PVC, its really
>> tough
>>> stuff and not brittle like PVC.
>>>
>>> Mike M
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>>> From: charlie hill
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>>> Time: 2013-01-04, 09:54:44
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>>>
>>> There is a Tractor Supply not far from Al that has 1" 100 psi x 300' roll
>>> for $85.00.
>>> I suspect someone around his place has it even cheaper than that.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 9:05 AM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Water Lines
>>>
>>> Lowe's has a lot of it at a reasonable price. I used to buy a lot of
>>> pipe at Pumpco Supply, I think they also had a store in Tulsa. Locke
>>> Supply will give a pretty god discount to the end user. You can also
>>> use the 1 inch 200 psi PVC glued joint. I have pulled that pipe in a
>>> ripped trench also. I have 3000 ft of pipe 6 ft deep for my heat
>>> exchanger here. It is 2 inch 160 psi. The black plastic pipe connects
>>> with barbed connections and hose clamps. Contrary to this list opinion,
>>> I have had very good success with plastic Hose barbs. The galvanized
>>> ones rust. The olastic ones I have used were the same size as schedule
>>> 40 PVC. The new PEX pipe that used copper crimp rings is really great.
>>> I have used it and had good success. The 1 inch pex uses brass barbs.
>>>
>>> If I was to build a new heat and air system, I would use a ground source
>>> heat pump for my air conditioning and water heating, then an outdoor
>>> boiler for heating the house, water, dryer, and stock tank heat.
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/3/2013 10:58 PM, moscowengnr at yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> The posts on water lines were really informative. I am getting ready to
>>>> install 500 to 600 feet of water line to connect a new cabin I am building
>>>> on back of property where house in front burned down with Oklahoma
>>>> wildfires.
>>>>
>>>> Where can you purchase the rolled plastic pipe that was mentioned in some
>>>> of the posts??
>>>>
>>>> Is this similar to what is used for some gas lines??
>>>>
>>>> Does it do joints by heating and pressing together?? if so does this work
>>>> well?? where do you get tools for this??
>>>>
>>>> This may be interesting for water lines, but I also want to try some
>>>> experimenting with ground heat exchangers for heat and air. Having a long
>>>> roll of plastic pipe would help with a few trial projects both in
>>>> Oklahoma, and also here in Texas for my shop here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
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