[AT] County/City Water Connection: What size meter to use?

[Cecil R Bearden]

The root had actually grown around the pipe and then as it expanded it 
squeezed the pipe and since it was at a joint it started leaking.   I 
would not bet that that tree could not tell that water was in a pipe.  
They are also known as Osage Orange...    The tree will grow in a fence 
row and a 30 yr old tree will only be 3 to 4 inches in diameter.   The 
wood is very fine grained and when dry it is like a rock.  As I remember 
the staircase in the chapel in Santa Fe has Osage Orange as the small 
spindles that hold the staircase together.  Here it is known as Bois 
D'Arc a french name for wood of Bows.  The Indians used it to make 
Bows.  I know of a Bowmaker here who uses it for some very expensive and 
fine looking bows.     I have dug up one of the trees and pulled a 
feeder root nearly 200 ft.  I guess that is the reason it can grow in 
this dry prairie.
Cecil in OKla


On 1/2/2013 8:55 PM, Dave Rotigel wrote:
> Doubtful that the root caused the leak. More likely that the leak caused the root!
> 	Dave
>
> On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Cecil R Bearden wrote:
>>    BTW
>> the leak was from a BoisD'Arc tree root growing into the pipe at a joint.
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>> On 1/2/2013 7:42 PM, Alan Nadeau wrote:
>>> It has been a while since I ran any water lines.  In your case I would go
>>> with 1" pipe but a 3/4" meter, the 1" will maintain flow better than the
>>> 3/4" will over any distance.  Back when I was involved in such work it was
>>> pretty common for chintzy builders to run the cheapest pipe they could buy.
>>> At that time I think it was rated for 80 PSI.  I had the pleasure of working
>>> the trench when my employer replaced many of those.  The pipe he used then
>>> (he was NOT a chintzy builder) was something like 120 or 160 PSI rated.  The
>>> 80# junk would puncture if a stone got anywhere near it.  In our stony (VT)
>>> soil the only way it would last was if it was bedded in sand.  Nobody did
>>> that as it was expensive so the weakest possible pipe got direct buried and
>>> as the fill settled any stones in there would crimp/kink the pipe and in 6-7
>>> years it would be leaking.  I'm not even sure the 80# is even made now but
>>> if it is it should be avoided unless you are in really nice sand.  Go with
>>> the heaviest rated pipe you can get.  It will require a little heat to get
>>> fittings into it and it is wise to use marine grade hose clamps.  The
>>> automotive ones have a carbon steel screw on a stainless band.  When the
>>> screw disintegrates the clamping force is lost.  The marine ones are
>>> completely stainless steel and while more costly they add only a fraction to
>>> the cost of the whole project.
>>>
>>> Even with the heavy pipe, if you're working with a dug trench it is wise to
>>> try to keep clean fill over the pipe for a couple inches and not drop any
>>> big rocks down near the bottom if you can avoid it.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Al Jones" <farmallsupera at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:06 PM
>>> Subject: [AT] County/City Water Connection: What size meter to use?
>>>
>>>
>>>> WARNING: OFF TOPIC!
>>>>
>>>> My wife and I are building a house, and it’s time to put the water meter
>>>> down out at the highway.  This is my first experience with “county water,”
>>>> as I have always lived in a house on its own well.  I am hoping that the
>>>> convenience of not maintaining a pump will be worth it in  the long run.
>>>> Plus, we will be living in the town ETJ, and I expect “one of these days”
>>>> they will run a municipal sewer line and we’ll have to connect anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I have a choice of a meter with a 3/4" hookup, pretty much the standard
>>>> deal around here, or a 1” hookup.  The 1” meter is $170 more than the 3/4"
>>>> meter, but the highway robbery, uh, I mean “impact fee” is $1600 more for
>>>> the 1” meter.  Our house is between 800 and 900 feet from the road and
>>>> where the meter will be.  Should I bite the bullet and go for the 1”
>>>> connection or will a 3/4" line give acceptable pressure and flow?  My
>>>> contractor suggests the 1” meter, and I have had others advise either one
>>>> will work.  One even suggested just installing the 3/4" meter but run a 1"
>>>> pipe to the house.
>>>>
>>>> We won't be doing anything fancy, just water needs for a 3 bedroom, 2.5
>>>> bath house.  No lawn irrigation other than filling up a watering can when
>>>> I plant marigolds or something.
>>>>
>>>> When the meter goes in, I intend to run the line to the house myself.  If
>>>> so, I will be using the 424 IH with a middlebuster to dig the trench (if
>>>> it will go deep enough) and the Super A with IH Fast Hitch blade to
>>>> backfill.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>>
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