[AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)

charlie hill charliehill at embarqmail.com
Tue Dec 10 14:06:36 PST 2013 

I replaced the front hub assembly on my 4wd pickup over 3 years ago with a 
part from
Autozone.  I wouldn't have even considered their store brand part but
they had it in Timken and no one else in town had it in stock.
I don't think Timken is going to ruin their reputation by selling 
substandard
parts through a discounter.  The Timken part was about 15 bucks or so more
than the store brand part.  That hub has at least 50,000 miles on it by now.
Probably more.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Offiler
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 4:50 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Cc: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)

Sounds like Rob and I agree ;-)

SO

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> On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Rob Wilson <ro.wilson at att.net> wrote:
>
> Autozone parts are subpar at best. I replaced the timing belt, put a new 
> water pump and tensioner on my wife's car and almost 1 year to the day the 
> bearing I'm the tensioner seized taking out the belt and stranding is on a 
> dark road. I asked my friend that has owned his own shop for almost 40 
> years what I did wrong? He said the only thing that might have caused it 
> is if I used autozone parts. He said he used to use them but kept getting 
> burned on labor lost and lost customers. He said stick with Napa and leave 
> the Chinese autozone junk to the backyard mechanics that don't mind 
> practicing doing the same job over for free.
> Rob
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 1:51 PM, "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Cabin fever I presume?  grins
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Richard Fink Sr
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:21 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>>
>> Charlie how would you push auto zone every one i have seen was big. And 
>> it
>> would take more than one guy to push it.Maybe if you used your truck also 
>> he
>> he.
>> R Fink
>> Snowy PA
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" 
>> <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>>
>>
>>> Oh I agree with you there but the oil you buy from them and the name 
>>> brand
>>> parts are
>>> the same.  I'm not trying to push Autozone.  Just saying that any 
>>> business
>>> in your area
>>> is putting money into the local economy.  I prefer the locally owned but
>>> don't believe
>>> in harming myself or my pocket book to avoid a chain store if they have
>>> what
>>> I need.
>>>
>>> Well we're now only 2 weeks out from Christmas eve so let me be the 
>>> first
>>> to
>>> tell the list Merry Christmas!
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: Steve Offiler
>>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:28 PM
>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Cc: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>>>
>>> Charlie, what I really dislike about AutoZone is their parts tend to be
>>> lower in quality and at least the stores near me tend toward row after 
>>> row
>>> of waxes and various other detailing supplies, with bored high-school 
>>> kids
>>> behind the counter; where my local NAPA still gives you premium-price,
>>> premium quality options on many items not to mention books under the
>>> counter
>>> that list old tractors and even power equipment.  I can get a fuel pump
>>> for
>>> an 8HP Briggs at NAPA.
>>>
>>> SO
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, "charlie hill" 
>>>> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Steve I share your allegiance to local business but
>>>> remember that the guys that work at Autozone are local too.
>>>> Only the net profit leaves town.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: Stephen Offiler
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 8:19 AM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Charlie.  My local NAPA (where I prefer to do business whenever
>>>> possible) only carries the 303, which now that I have more facts, seems
>>>> rather odd.  My area has a fair amount of dairy, and plenty of horses,
>>>> thus
>>>> plenty of tractors, and the MultiTrac now appears to be the "right 
>>>> stuff"
>>>> to meet most mfg specs.  I'm not sure where anybody would want to use 
>>>> the
>>>> 303.
>>>>
>>>> Supposedly my local Autozone has some MultiTrac in stock.  If you can
>>>> believe that their website *really* knows the stock status
>>>> store-by-store.
>>>> My local-ish Tractor Supply doesn't seem to list it but I am checking
>>>> that
>>>> again before I bring my business to Autozone...
>>>>
>>>> SO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:37 AM, charlie hill
>>>> <charliehill at embarqmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Steve,   MultiTrac is what I use in my AC tractors.
>>>>> Around here you can buy that at Tractor Supply, Autozone and a lot
>>>>> of other places.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Stephen Offiler
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 6:52 AM
>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>>>>>
>>>>> THANKS for all the responses!  I believe I have figured out what
>>>>> happened:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you note in my story, they pulled out some documents from under the
>>>>> counter and showed me one that indicated it was compatible with Ford
>>>>> M2C134D.  Here it is:  (scroll down to page 2)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.warrenoil.com/MSDS-Spec/PDS/Coastal/PDS%20-%20Coastal%20Multitrac%20Tractor%20Fluid.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> But that is NOT the oil they sold me.  The above is a different 
>>>>> Coastal
>>>>> product, called MultiTrac.  What I got was Coastal 303, which, when 
>>>>> you
>>>>> look at the data sheet, is obviously the wrong stuff:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.warrenoil.com/MSDS-Spec/PDS/Coastal/PDS%20-%20Coastal%20303%20Tractor%20Fluid.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it was an honest mistake by the counter guy.  I don't think 
>>>>> they
>>>>> stock the MultiTrac and he mistakenly believed he was showing me the
>>>>> correct data sheet.
>>>>>
>>>>> SO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Alan Riley <arr44 at suddenlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also have a Ford 1520, a 1987 year model, 2wd, 9x3 transmission.
>>>>>> When
>>>>> I
>>>>>> changed
>>>>>> it's hydraulic oil and filter the last time, I was still able to get
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Ford 134 oil and the
>>>>>> filter at the local NH dealer.  That has been several years back 
>>>>>> though
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the nearest
>>>>>> NH dealer is now 65 miles away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't recall for certain the revision number on the 134 oil I used
>>>>>> but
>>>>> I
>>>>>> think it may
>>>>>> have been D.  Maybe I should have stocked up on the oil when I had 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> chance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan Riley
>>>>>> Deville, LA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Stephen Offiler
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 7:10 PM
>>>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>>>> Subject: [AT] Tractor Fluid (OT, only maybe)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a 1991 Ford 1520, a Japanese-built 23HP diesel 4x4 
>>>>>> hydrostatic
>>>>>> from approx 1991, just before Ford sold to New Holland.  A few weeks
>>>>>> ago
>>>>> I
>>>>>> did a 1000-hr major maintenance including hydraulic fluid change. 
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> the original service manual, which calls for "Ford 134" fluid.  The
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> other reference in the manual is to Ford part numbers 1GM-134C (1 
>>>>>> gal)
>>>>> and
>>>>>> 5GM-134C (5 gal).  Searching around the net, I concluded this stuff
>>>>>> must
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> Ford M2C134x fluid where the x is like a revision, starting with A
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> apparently was used in the 8N era... hence, this really isn't all 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> OT
>>>>>> after all.  Looks like they were up to rev C in the early 1990's 
>>>>>> based
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> what is called out in my manual, and it also looks like the modern
>>>>>> standard
>>>>>> is up to D now.  If I got any of that wrong PLEASE jump in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I ended up purchasing Coastal 303 Tractor Fluid, which I was a bit
>>>>>> leery
>>>>>> about, until the sales guy pulled out a multi-page document from 
>>>>>> behind
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> counter that listed a wealth of detail on Coastal 303, including
>>>>>> compatibility with the Ford M2C134D spec.  OK then, sold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem I am having now is that the fluid seems too viscous.  As
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> cold weather arrived, I immediately noticed that the loader lifted
>>>>>> slowly
>>>>>> and the bucket roll was almost ridiculously slow.  Not long after 
>>>>>> that,
>>>>> it
>>>>>> literally blew the gasket off the hydrostatic filter.  My first clue
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> copious amounts of fluid pouring from the filter area, and once I
>>>>>> removed
>>>>>> it, I observed the gasket was out of place.  I tucked it back in,
>>>>>> tightened
>>>>>> the filter up real good, and it was OK for another couple weeks. 
>>>>>> Just
>>>>>> today, same thing, it's pouring out the filter gasket again.  I am
>>>>>> concluding that the fluid is too thick, the flow is too slow, 
>>>>>> building
>>>>>> pressure on the return side (filter side), and that's what is blowing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> gasket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I got all this right, that means Coastal 303 is NOT so very
>>>>>> equivalent
>>>>>> to Ford M2C134D after all.  Does anybody have any knowledge of these
>>>>>> fluids?  What do I really need to be shopping for?  (I don't know 
>>>>>> where
>>>>> or
>>>>>> IF I could even find genuine Ford fluid any more)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>> Steve O.
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