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Larry Goss rlgoss at insightbb.com
Thu Apr 4 20:07:46 PDT 2013


Thanks for your comments, Steve.  I generated a couple responses to the original post, and then changed my mind and hit the delete button instead.

Larry


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve W. <swilliams268 at frontier.com>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 22:30:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [AT] list

jtchall at nc.rr.com wrote:
> First let me apologize for sending that to the list, It was supposed to 
> actually go to Charlie Hill, he and I generally discuss forbidden list 
> topics such as current events, politics or any other hot button topic that 
> would start an argument on a public forum.  It's amazing we haven't blocked 
> each others email by now given some of the topics we have discussed and have 
> not always been in agreement on!

No need to apologize. Every now and then the status quo needs to be questioned...


> 
> Glad to see that those that disagreed with me did it in a civil manner. 
> Likewise those that agreed didn't dump gas on the fire either. Needless to 
> say I am one of the biggest fans of ATIS and would not intentionally do 
> anything to stir up trouble.
> I get way too much benefit from here to stir up any trouble!
> 
> I am a member of at least 5 lists/forums. I also frequent a few more when I 
> am searching for information regarding vehicle repair or work related 
> issues. One thing that sort of sticks out  when I am reading through various 
> threads (on any list/forum) is when the original poster doesn't say thanks 
> or follow up on the suggestions given. I guess it's just my nature to expect 
> a thank you or see closure to a situation. I'm probably guilty for failing 
> to do this at times. There have been times when I get so much help on a 
> situation that I just try to give a "blanket" thanks to all.
> 
> 
> John Hall 
> 


I'm on probably 50 different groups similar to ATIS. Some are strictly held to topic and 
others are a free for all. Probably half are help for the DIYer type places where folks 
come with problems and hope to find the answers. I have long gotten used to answering a 
question and never hearing if the solution was correct or if something else worked. It all 
seems to fall back on the person asking the question and their attitude toward others.

There are some folks who will apologize for "bothering" me with questions and thank me for 
answers before I even reply. They also generally respond once the repair is complete if 
the solution worked or whatever happened.

Then there are ones who will post on a group, then complain 5 minutes later that "Nobody 
wants to help me" then 5 minutes later start complaining about the list and the people on 
there.

Some others are just BUSY with life and work and manage to get things working and just 
forget. BTDT before.

On the technology side it is a double edged item. As far as engine controls, They make the 
engine much more efficient and last longer. BUT the also take FAR more technology and 
training to maintain. The old twist the distributer or open up a jet days are long gone 
for 99% of repairs. You still need the underlying education of engine operation and 
mechanicals but you also need a fair amount of tech training. The current issue is the 
same as folks are talking about. What do you do when the technology fails and the company 
no longer support OR will only support outright swaps of hardware / software.


As far as ATIS works I think one of the reasons for low posts is actually the success of 
folks passing on their knowledge. Many folks here bought tractors or equipment that was 
broken down, wore out and ready for scrapping and took 40 years to get to that point. They 
then asked and were given the knowledge of how to fix/rebuild items. Now they know how to 
adjust a carb, timing, replace parts or similar. Once you learn this stuff it applies to a 
lot of other brands and equipment and you don't really ask again. Plus the current climate 
seems to be scrap the old and buy new. Many younger folks just don't care about "that old 
green tractor/thing" unless it's worth money.

-- 
Steve W.
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