[AJD] 2 cyl diesel won't start
Dean Moore
lazyminok at gmail.com
Tue Jun 12 18:37:16 PDT 2012
You need to check compression first before going any further
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On Jun 12, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Me <deanvp at att.net> wrote:
> Grasping at straws a bit. Is it possible water has gotten into the fuel
> supply?
>
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> -----Original message-----
> From: dhinds at stny.rr.com
> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Cc: antique-johndeere-request at lists.antique-tractor.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 00:35:04 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [AJD] 2 cyl diesel won't start
>
> Hi:
> Have just read all the good advise to Kevin about spark, but hope someone
> can
> give me some advise on a non-spark, a 720 JD DIESEL.
> Last summer I completed an overhaul of the engine, including valves, head
> trued, inserts. Had injectors checked out,
> relined fuel tank etc. Started engine, after some trouble getting fuel
> through the new filters. Ran it for a couple
> hours. Retorqued head bolts, restarted engine, drained radiator and shut
> down for winter.
> Have now completed remainder of restoration, reassembled parts I took off to
> clean and paint.
> Now the tractor will not start.
> This is a converted electric start so I am cranking it over with a 12 volt
> system, using the decompression lever till oil
> pressure shows and when I drop the lever, the compression is evident. Some
> mist comes out the muffler, but the engine does not
> fire. Have good flow of fuel from transfer pump, and when I disconnect the
> injector line from the high compression pumps, fuel
> squirts out when I turn it over.
> What could be causing an engine that was running fine to refuse all my
> efforts?
> Any suggestions welcomed.
> Duane Hinds Penna
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:29:39 -0500
>> From: Tyler Juranek <tylerpolkaman at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [AJD] Magneto?
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>> Hi everybody,
>> On any 2 cylinder John Deere that is a hand start, what is the best
>> way to test the magnetic field in the magneto?
>> If it makes more sense, I'm just wondering how to test the mag to find
>> out how much spark it has.
>> Any help will be most appreciated!
>> Thank you,
>> Tyler
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:27:25 -0600
>> From: "Lyle Kause" <lyle.kause at lexitar.ca>
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Magneto?
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>> Tyler, My father (deceased now) was able to physically hang onto a spark
>> plug, or mag and tell me if it was a good spark or not. Needless to say
> most
>> people cannot hang on to, or would even want to check for spark this way.
> He
>> did say though, if you take a dry green blade of grass and slowly slide it
>> up on top of the spark plug until you start to feel pulses; The farther
> away
>> you are from feeling pulses, the stronger your mag is. Sounds pretty crude
>> but is surprisingly accurate. Lyle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Tyler Juranek
>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30 AM
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>> Subject: [AJD] Magneto?
>>
>> Hi everybody,
>> On any 2 cylinder John Deere that is a hand start, what is the best way to
>> test the magnetic field in the magneto?
>> If it makes more sense, I'm just wondering how to test the mag to find out
>> how much spark it has.
>> Any help will be most appreciated!
>> Thank you,
>> Tyler
>>
>> --
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:15:13 -0500
>> From: Mike Scholl <buck69_hunter at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Magneto?
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>> Tyler,
>>
>> I've always used a spare spark plug with the base grounded to test for
>> spark. If it sparks, the motor should start provided there is good
>> air/gasoline mixture and that the spark is timed.
>>
>> A number of things can go wrong besides the mag coil... the impulse is
> also
>> critical. At very low revolution speeds (like when starting), the impulse
>> provides for more internal magneto speed which generates a hotter spark.
>>
>> Since there are a number of different mag options, which are we talking
>> about Wico C or X, or Fairbanks-Morse?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Lyle Kause
>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:27 PM
>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Magneto?
>>
>> Tyler, My father (deceased now) was able to physically hang onto a spark
>> plug, or mag and tell me if it was a good spark or not. Needless to say
> most
>> people cannot hang on to, or would even want to check for spark this way.
> He
>> did say though, if you take a dry green blade of grass and slowly slide it
>> up on top of the spark plug until you start to feel pulses; The farther
> away
>> you are from feeling pulses, the stronger your mag is. Sounds pretty crude
>> but is surprisingly accurate. Lyle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>> Tyler Juranek
>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30 AM
>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com; Antique tractor email
>> discussion group
>> Subject: [AJD] Magneto?
>>
>> Hi everybody,
>> On any 2 cylinder John Deere that is a hand start, what is the best way to
>> test the magnetic field in the magneto?
>> If it makes more sense, I'm just wondering how to test the mag to find out
>> how much spark it has.
>> Any help will be most appreciated!
>> Thank you,
>> Tyler
>>
>> --
>> Check out my youtube channel, and spread the word!
>> http://www.youtube.com/tylerthetechy/
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:36:29 -0500
>> From: George <jddt at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Magneto?
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>> I saw your email. I have found a spark tester for tractors. It snaps on
> the plug and the other end goes to the wire from the mag. Then when you
> turn the tractor over it lights when the mag fires. I got them at a
> traveling tool sale but do not remember the name of the company. I know
> they work well. Can also tell how hot the spark is by how bright it fires.
> Vrry handy.
>>
>> Lyle Kause <lyle.kause at lexitar.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Tyler, My father (deceased now) was able to physically hang onto a spark
>>> plug, or mag and tell me if it was a good spark or not. Needless to say
> most
>>> people cannot hang on to, or would even want to check for spark this way.
> He
>>> did say though, if you take a dry green blade of grass and slowly slide
> it
>>> up on top of the spark plug until you start to feel pulses; The farther
> away
>>> you are from feeling pulses, the stronger your mag is. Sounds pretty
> crude
>>> but is surprisingly accurate. Lyle
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Tyler Juranek
>>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30 AM
>>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com; Antique tractor email
>>> discussion group
>>> Subject: [AJD] Magneto?
>>>
>>> Hi everybody,
>>> On any 2 cylinder John Deere that is a hand start, what is the best way
> to
>>> test the magnetic field in the magneto?
>>> If it makes more sense, I'm just wondering how to test the mag to find
> out
>>> how much spark it has.
>>> Any help will be most appreciated!
>>> Thank you,
>>> Tyler
>>>
>>> --
>>> Check out my youtube channel, and spread the word!
>>> http://www.youtube.com/tylerthetechy/
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:21:08 -0500
>> From: Dean Moore <lazyminok at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Magneto?
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>> Spark is same at hand turn as in full rpm. The mag makes no different
> implus power
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 11, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Mike Scholl <buck69_hunter at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Tyler,
>>>
>>> I've always used a spare spark plug with the base grounded to test for
>>> spark. If it sparks, the motor should start provided there is good
>>> air/gasoline mixture and that the spark is timed.
>>>
>>> A number of things can go wrong besides the mag coil... the impulse is
> also
>>> critical. At very low revolution speeds (like when starting), the
> impulse
>>> provides for more internal magneto speed which generates a hotter spark.
>>>
>>> Since there are a number of different mag options, which are we talking
>>> about Wico C or X, or Fairbanks-Morse?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Lyle Kause
>>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 1:27 PM
>>> To: 'Antique John Deere mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Magneto?
>>>
>>> Tyler, My father (deceased now) was able to physically hang onto a spark
>>> plug, or mag and tell me if it was a good spark or not. Needless to say
> most
>>> people cannot hang on to, or would even want to check for spark this
> way. He
>>> did say though, if you take a dry green blade of grass and slowly slide
> it
>>> up on top of the spark plug until you start to feel pulses; The farther
> away
>>> you are from feeling pulses, the stronger your mag is. Sounds pretty
> crude
>>> but is surprisingly accurate. Lyle
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> [mailto:antique-johndeere-bounces at lists.antique-tractor.com] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Tyler Juranek
>>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30 AM
>>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com; Antique tractor email
>>> discussion group
>>> Subject: [AJD] Magneto?
>>>
>>> Hi everybody,
>>> On any 2 cylinder John Deere that is a hand start, what is the best way
> to
>>> test the magnetic field in the magneto?
>>> If it makes more sense, I'm just wondering how to test the mag to find
> out
>>> how much spark it has.
>>> Any help will be most appreciated!
>>> Thank you,
>>> Tyler
>>>
>>> --
>>> Check out my youtube channel, and spread the word!
>>> http://www.youtube.com/tylerthetechy/
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:27:38 -0400
>> From: John Nordhoff <jmn50 at msn.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AJD] Magneto?
>> To: <antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com>
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>>
>> One cheap n easy way is to use a plug wire that is spaced 3/16 inch away
> from the mags metal and hand turn the mag so the impulse snaps and you
> should get a bright visible blue spark as opposed to a thin wimpy hard to
> see yellow spark. If the impulse spring is weak the spark will be weaker, it
> should make a loud sharp SNAP not a faint dull clunk when it snaps. Of
> course, this is ONLY the static impulse spark were talkin about here which
> isnt the same as when the impulse becomes disabled (around 250 RPM) and then
> the faster the RPM the more spark energy thats developed. Typical problems
> are burned points,,,,,,weak magnetic strength rotors,,,,,,,,,,weak or bad
> condensor,,,,,,,,,,weak spring (affects start spark only).............
> John T in Indiana
>>> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:29:39 -0500
>>> From: tylerpolkaman at gmail.com
>>> To: antique-johndeere at lists.antique-tractor.com;
> at at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> Subject: [AJD] Magneto?
>>>
>>> Hi everybody,
>>> On any 2 cylinder John Deere that is a hand start, what is the best
>>> way to test the magnetic field in the magneto?
>>> If it makes more sense, I'm just wondering how to test the mag to find
>>> out how much spark it has.
>>> Any help will be most appreciated!
>>> Thank you,
>>> Tyler
>>>
>>> --
>>> Check out my youtube channel, and spread the word!
>>> http://www.youtube.com/tylerthetechy/
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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