[AT] Was Texas now "alternative" brand tractors

Thu Jul 19 03:59:42 PDT 2012

Very good point Tyler. Also about teaching the hired help how to drive a 
hand clutch.
R Fink
PA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tyler Juranek" <tylerpolkaman at gmail.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Was Texas now "alternative" brand tractors

> Hi Folks,
> Thinking about all of this stuff, just think about the old two cylinders.
> I actually would seriously like to know how many of them are still in
> use today here in the US.
> What really sucks about the two cylinder Jd's, is the fact that we put
> all this damn money into restoring the tractors, and all they really
> do is just sit and relax in the sheds, or like me, maybe get taken out
> for a ride here and there, but they can't be used with any of the
> modern farm equipment.
> I mean, think about it! If those modern Jd's had the hand clutch, etc,
> us folks like myself could do so much more. I don't know how to drive
> a foot clutch, I'm sure it's easy. But if you think about it, many
> farmers could get a lot more work done if the modern Jd's and other
> tractors had the hand clutch, and some of the older stuff, because he
> wouldn't have to teach his hired men how to run it.
> This is my view on things when it comes to modern farm equipment. What
> does everyone else think?
> Thanks,
> Tyler
>
> On 7/18/12, Alan Riley <arr44 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>> Charlie, I for one , agree 100% with what you are saying.  The old values
>> that made this country the greatest on earth great simply don't exist in
>> D.C. any more.  New American-built tractors may never plow our fields
>> again.
>>
>> Throw your name in the hat Charlie, and I'll vote for you (assuming you
>> have a birth certificate)  :>)
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: charlie hill
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:44 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Was Texas now "alternative" brand tractors
>>
>> Cecil, it's going to come to a stop one way or the other because the few
>> folks left that are actually contributing to the economy are going to 
>> quit
>> or go broke. (For those of you that like to read
>> long novels read Ayn Rand's Novel _Atlas Shrugged_.  It was written in 
>> the
>> 40's but as you read you'll think it was written last week.)    Folks 
>> that
>> work for the government, school teachers,
>> fire and police officers are ALL NECESSARY elements of society but their
>> tax
>> dollars DO NOT contribute to the cost of paying all of those that don't
>> work.  The whole mess is going to collapse
>> and soon if something isn't done.  It CAN be fixed.  If the government 
>> will
>> roll back regulations, shut down a few agencies, get out of the way and 
>> let
>> people fish, farm, log and dig we CAN put enough folks to work to get out
>> of
>> this mess but it'll never happen as long dogs can vote for free dog food.
>>
>> I know some guys that built a small condominium complex about 06 or so.
>> The
>> place is only about 30 units.  They had to deal with 23 state, federal 
>> and
>> local agencies before they could
>> get the project completed.  The economy went flat before they got it
>> completed and sold and the 3 of them are sitting there today carrying the
>> cost of the project out of their pockets
>> except for the few units they managed to sell and a few more they rent 
>> out
>> for less than the cash flow required to support them.  That was before 
>> the
>> current administration!  Does anyone
>> think they are going to start another project anytime soon?
>>
>> Yeah Spencer, I know, I'm over the line on what you want on this list. 
>> I'm
>> sorry but this stuff needs to be said.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:16 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Was Texas now "alternative" brand tractors
>>
>> I was visiting with another engineer a few days ago.  He is in private
>> practice retired from city gov't. They needed to extend a box culvert to
>> widen 2 lanes of traffic. The Army Corps of Environmentalists required
>> mitigation forr this because the extension of the box culvert was going
>> to stop sunlight from reaching the area of the creekbed that would be
>> under the box culvert...
>>
>> Make sense out of that one.  The Environmental Impact statement now is
>> more than construction cost.....  Question is   How do we reverse
>> this??  There ain't no way because the ones we need to get to vote these
>> idiots out have never had to really work to make a living, so they
>> expect everything to be given to them.   CAll them the entitlement
>> generation.
>>
>> Cecil in oKla
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/2012 11:48 AM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Mike I doubt if there are ANY tractors built in the USA any longer. 
>>> Some
>>> are assembled here I think.   Also,  I doubt if you find a tractor in 
>>> the
>>> 50-60 hp range with FWD or FWA that will be
>>> any lighter than your 255.   There is no need to put a lot of HP in a
>>> light
>>> tractor because it can't put the HP to the ground.   I suspect that some
>>> of
>>> the off brand stuff plays some tricks with their HP ratings by 
>>> publishing
>>> engine HP instead of drawbar or PTO HP.
>>>
>>> I read recently that Mahindra is the largest tractor manufacturer in the
>>> world.  I think AGCO claims to sell more tractors than anyone but theirs
>>> are
>>> split between several manufacturers.
>>>
>>> As for the big US brands, I think the origin of the tractor depends on
>>> the
>>> size.  Smaller ones tend to be Asian, larger ones seem to be European
>>> these
>>> days.  IF the people we elect to run this country don't wake up and do
>>> something about unreasonably stringent requirements on industry (safety,
>>> healthcare, employee benefits, air quality, etc., etc.) there will be
>>> nothing built
>>> here anymore.  Some one needs to tell those idiots that there are only 4
>>> ways to create wealth and they all involve exploitation of a resource.
>>> They
>>> are fishing, farming, logging and mining/drilling.  Everything else is
>>> value
>>> added and basically amounts to just trading dollars back and forth.  Our
>>> government is trying to run all these activities off shore in the name 
>>> of
>>> the environment, safety and workers rights while the off shore sources 
>>> we
>>> are forced to use care nothing about these issues and are spewing
>>> pollution,
>>> and exploiting workers every day.
>>>
>>> However,  it's not really the politicians fault.  It's my fault and your
>>> fault for not sending these crooked and educated beyond their
>>> intelligence
>>> fools packing.
>>>
>>> Remember that in Nov. and ask yourself it you are better off than you
>>> were
>>> 4
>>> years ago when gasoline was $1.80 and unemployment peaked out at 7.5%
>>> only
>>> to start steadily rising
>>> right after election day.
>>>
>>> Ok I'll get off my soap box.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Meulenberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:26 PM
>>> To: at
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Was Texas now "alternative" brand tractors
>>>
>>> This thread caught my interest. I have a Massey Ferguson 255 that I am
>>> looking to replace. It's a larger framed tractor than I need, and 
>>> coupled
>>> with the fact that it's only two wheel drive and has a loader spends 
>>> most
>>> of
>>> it's time getting stuck and making ruts in the pastures. Not to mention
>>> that
>>> lately I spend more time working on it than using it.  I would like
>>> something more compact in the 50-60 hp range, with MFWD. I've done a
>>> little
>>> research, not a lot, and it appears that almost all tractors in this
>>> range,
>>> no matter which color are made overseas with foreign made engines. Are
>>> the
>>> US branded tractors John Deere, Case IH, etc worth the premium or are
>>> they
>>> just rebranded Kioti, Mahindra, Yanmar etc. Feelings and emotions seem 
>>> to
>>> get in the way of reason on many discussion boards, and I'd be curious 
>>> to
>>> know what you guys think.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike M
>>> ----- Receiving the following content -----
>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>> Receiver: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>> Time: 2012-07-17, 19:14:55
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Texas
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>> I didn't take it as an insult. Perhaps if someone was in France or
>>> Spain, we could get some parts for those late model John Deere's!!!
>>>    I like the Belarus because it is reliable. It could use some creature
>>> comforts, but since the A/C is not working, I just open the windows and
>>> tie the doors open, and use it.
>>>
>>>     I would absolutely bake in my TS110 New holland without the air
>>> conditioning working. In fact, after a thorough of the A/C evaporator
>>> in the New Holland, the air works much better, and it uses about 10
>>> gallons of fuel less per day... I think the evaporator pressure
>>> remained high due to the air blockage, and the compressor was pumping on
>>> higher head. The compressor also cycles when it is below 100 deg...
>>>
>>> When I think of all the expense we went to with the worn out American
>>> tractors we had.. Making do with an after market cab that never had a
>>> rear window, and Freezing in the winter while feeding cattle. ...
>>> We could have bought a Belarus in the 90's with a cab and air for less
>>> than half price of a JD or IH or even a Ford without a cab. But
>>> instead we listened to the propaganda from the US manufacturers about
>>> the Russian tractors having bearings that were not round, and shafts
>>> that would not seal, etc. etc. All the time JD, IH, and Ford were
>>> making everything offshore, and hiding the fact from the public. I
>>> remember the hype about us needing to convert to the metric system so we
>>> could send our products overseas. It was just hype put out by the high
>>> paid executives in order to send everything offshore so they could get
>>> paid a thousand times more than they were worth.
>>>
>>> Sorry, about the rant, I just hate thinking how we were tricked into
>>> believing so much crap about the foreign tractors and equipment when we
>>> were being sent that same equipment just re-badged as American.....
>>> Then to prevent Belarus from competing in the US, they changed the
>>> emissions rules so we had to buy the US badged stuff that used more fuel
>>> under the guise of being emission compliant. After WWII Eisenhower
>>> said the worst problem the US had to face was the Military-Industrial
>>> complex. It took longer than he predicted, but it has happened. The
>>> Military industrial complex is so big it can buy and sell politicians to
>>> get anything it wants... All the while te little guy is paying for 
>>> it....
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/17/2012 3:59 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>> LOL ok but I figured you'd have some spares or something you wanted.
>>>> grins.
>>>> I wasn't trying to insult your tractor but I guess it might have 
>>>> sounded
>>>> that way.
>>>> I just knew you liked Belarus and would be interested in the plant and
>>>> the
>>>> possibility
>>>> of putting your hands on some parts that might be hard to find here.
>>>>
>>>> Charlie
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:27 PM
>>>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what parts I would need, the only thing that does not work
>>>> is the air conditioning that was installed in the US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Cecil in OKla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/2012 12:27 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>>>> Dennis if Cecil Bearden had known you were going to the Belarus plant
>>>>> he
>>>>> would probably have wanted you to ship a few parts home...
>>>>> RIGHT Cecil? I bet that was an interesting trip. Don't they still
>>>>> pretty
>>>>> much build stuff with casting and tooling technology like we used here
>>>>> in
>>>>> the 50's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Dennis Johnson
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:58 PM
>>>>> To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>>>> Subject: [AT] Texas
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to post a few days ago, but the post failed
>>>>>
>>>>> I live in Rosenberg (SW Houston) Texas, and have a few project 
>>>>> tractors
>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spent last week in Minsk, home of the Belarus tractors, and traveling
>>>>> in
>>>>> Russia this week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis Johnson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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