[AT] Was Texas now "alternative" brand tractors

Wed Jul 18 09:48:33 PDT 2012

Mike I doubt if there are ANY tractors built in the USA any longer.  Some 
are assembled here I think.   Also,  I doubt if you find a tractor in the 
50-60 hp range with FWD or FWA that will be
any lighter than your 255.   There is no need to put a lot of HP in a light 
tractor because it can't put the HP to the ground.   I suspect that some of 
the off brand stuff plays some tricks with their HP ratings by publishing 
engine HP instead of drawbar or PTO HP.

I read recently that Mahindra is the largest tractor manufacturer in the 
world.  I think AGCO claims to sell more tractors than anyone but theirs are 
split between several manufacturers.

As for the big US brands, I think the origin of the tractor depends on the 
size.  Smaller ones tend to be Asian, larger ones seem to be European these 
days.  IF the people we elect to run this country don't wake up and do 
something about unreasonably stringent requirements on industry (safety, 
healthcare, employee benefits, air quality, etc., etc.) there will be 
nothing built
here anymore.  Some one needs to tell those idiots that there are only 4 
ways to create wealth and they all involve exploitation of a resource.  They 
are fishing, farming, logging and mining/drilling.  Everything else is value 
added and basically amounts to just trading dollars back and forth.  Our 
government is trying to run all these activities off shore in the name of
the environment, safety and workers rights while the off shore sources we 
are forced to use care nothing about these issues and are spewing pollution, 
and exploiting workers every day.

However,  it's not really the politicians fault.  It's my fault and your 
fault for not sending these crooked and educated beyond their intelligence 
fools packing.

Remember that in Nov. and ask yourself it you are better off than you were 4 
years ago when gasoline was $1.80 and unemployment peaked out at 7.5% only 
to start steadily rising
right after election day.

Ok I'll get off my soap box.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Meulenberg
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:26 PM
To: at
Subject: Re: [AT] Was Texas now "alternative" brand tractors

This thread caught my interest. I have a Massey Ferguson 255 that I am 
looking to replace. It's a larger framed tractor than I need, and coupled 
with the fact that it's only two wheel drive and has a loader spends most of 
it's time getting stuck and making ruts in the pastures. Not to mention that 
lately I spend more time working on it than using it.  I would like 
something more compact in the 50-60 hp range, with MFWD. I've done a little 
research, not a lot, and it appears that almost all tractors in this range, 
no matter which color are made overseas with foreign made engines. Are the 
US branded tractors John Deere, Case IH, etc worth the premium or are they 
just rebranded Kioti, Mahindra, Yanmar etc. Feelings and emotions seem to 
get in the way of reason on many discussion boards, and I'd be curious to 
know what you guys think.
Thanks,
Mike M
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From: Cecil R Bearden
Receiver: Antique tractor email discussion group
Time: 2012-07-17, 19:14:55
Subject: Re: [AT] Texas

Charlie
I didn't take it as an insult. Perhaps if someone was in France or
Spain, we could get some parts for those late model John Deere's!!!
  I like the Belarus because it is reliable. It could use some creature
comforts, but since the A/C is not working, I just open the windows and
tie the doors open, and use it.

   I would absolutely bake in my TS110 New holland without the air
conditioning working. In fact, after a thorough of the A/C evaporator
in the New Holland, the air works much better, and it uses about 10
gallons of fuel less per day... I think the evaporator pressure
remained high due to the air blockage, and the compressor was pumping on
higher head. The compressor also cycles when it is below 100 deg...

When I think of all the expense we went to with the worn out American
tractors we had.. Making do with an after market cab that never had a
rear window, and Freezing in the winter while feeding cattle. ...
We could have bought a Belarus in the 90's with a cab and air for less
than half price of a JD or IH or even a Ford without a cab. But
instead we listened to the propaganda from the US manufacturers about
the Russian tractors having bearings that were not round, and shafts
that would not seal, etc. etc. All the time JD, IH, and Ford were
making everything offshore, and hiding the fact from the public. I
remember the hype about us needing to convert to the metric system so we
could send our products overseas. It was just hype put out by the high
paid executives in order to send everything offshore so they could get
paid a thousand times more than they were worth.

Sorry, about the rant, I just hate thinking how we were tricked into
believing so much crap about the foreign tractors and equipment when we
were being sent that same equipment just re-badged as American.....
Then to prevent Belarus from competing in the US, they changed the
emissions rules so we had to buy the US badged stuff that used more fuel
under the guise of being emission compliant. After WWII Eisenhower
said the worst problem the US had to face was the Military-Industrial
complex. It took longer than he predicted, but it has happened. The
Military industrial complex is so big it can buy and sell politicians to
get anything it wants... All the while te little guy is paying for it....

Cecil in OKla

Cecil in OKla

On 7/17/2012 3:59 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> LOL ok but I figured you'd have some spares or something you wanted. 
> grins.
> I wasn't trying to insult your tractor but I guess it might have sounded
> that way.
> I just knew you liked Belarus and would be interested in the plant and the
> possibility
> of putting your hands on some parts that might be hard to find here.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:27 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Texas
>
>
> I don't know what parts I would need, the only thing that does not work
> is the air conditioning that was installed in the US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
> On 7/17/2012 12:27 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Dennis if Cecil Bearden had known you were going to the Belarus plant he
>> would probably have wanted you to ship a few parts home...
>> RIGHT Cecil? I bet that was an interesting trip. Don't they still
>> pretty
>> much build stuff with casting and tooling technology like we used here in
>> the 50's?
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dennis Johnson
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:58 PM
>> To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
>> Subject: [AT] Texas
>>
>> I tried to post a few days ago, but the post failed
>>
>> I live in Rosenberg (SW Houston) Texas, and have a few project tractors
>> there.
>>
>> Spent last week in Minsk, home of the Belarus tractors, and traveling in
>> Russia this week.
>>
>> Dennis Johnson
>>
>>
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