[AT] Was Texas now "alternative" brand tractors

Wed Jul 18 10:07:35 PDT 2012

Just be sure you are getting the same HP..   The old ones were PTO HP, 
since 1995, HP is engine hp  a lot of difference
Cecil in OKla

On 7/18/2012 11:26 AM, Mike Meulenberg wrote:
> This thread caught my interest. I have a Massey Ferguson 255 that I am looking to replace. It's a larger framed tractor than I need, and coupled with the fact that it's only two wheel drive and has a loader spends most of it's time getting stuck and making ruts in the pastures. Not to mention that lately I spend more time working on it than using it.  I would like something more compact in the 50-60 hp range, with MFWD. I've done a little research, not a lot, and it appears that almost all tractors in this range, no matter which color are made overseas with foreign made engines. Are the US branded tractors John Deere, Case IH, etc worth the premium or are they just rebranded Kioti, Mahindra, Yanmar etc. Feelings and emotions seem to get in the way of reason on many discussion boards, and I'd be curious to know what you guys think.
> Thanks,
> Mike M
> ----- Receiving the following content -----
> From: Cecil R Bearden
> Receiver: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Time: 2012-07-17, 19:14:55
> Subject: Re: [AT] Texas
>
>
> Charlie
> I didn't take it as an insult. Perhaps if someone was in France or
> Spain, we could get some parts for those late model John Deere's!!!
>    I like the Belarus because it is reliable. It could use some creature
> comforts, but since the A/C is not working, I just open the windows and
> tie the doors open, and use it.
>
>     I would absolutely bake in my TS110 New holland without the air
> conditioning working. In fact, after a thorough of the A/C evaporator
> in the New Holland, the air works much better, and it uses about 10
> gallons of fuel less per day... I think the evaporator pressure
> remained high due to the air blockage, and the compressor was pumping on
> higher head. The compressor also cycles when it is below 100 deg...
>
> When I think of all the expense we went to with the worn out American
> tractors we had.. Making do with an after market cab that never had a
> rear window, and Freezing in the winter while feeding cattle. ...
> We could have bought a Belarus in the 90's with a cab and air for less
> than half price of a JD or IH or even a Ford without a cab. But
> instead we listened to the propaganda from the US manufacturers about
> the Russian tractors having bearings that were not round, and shafts
> that would not seal, etc. etc. All the time JD, IH, and Ford were
> making everything offshore, and hiding the fact from the public. I
> remember the hype about us needing to convert to the metric system so we
> could send our products overseas. It was just hype put out by the high
> paid executives in order to send everything offshore so they could get
> paid a thousand times more than they were worth.
>
> Sorry, about the rant, I just hate thinking how we were tricked into
> believing so much crap about the foreign tractors and equipment when we
> were being sent that same equipment just re-badged as American.....
> Then to prevent Belarus from competing in the US, they changed the
> emissions rules so we had to buy the US badged stuff that used more fuel
> under the guise of being emission compliant. After WWII Eisenhower
> said the worst problem the US had to face was the Military-Industrial
> complex. It took longer than he predicted, but it has happened. The
> Military industrial complex is so big it can buy and sell politicians to
> get anything it wants... All the while te little guy is paying for it....
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
> Cecil in OKla
>
>
>
> On 7/17/2012 3:59 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> LOL ok but I figured you'd have some spares or something you wanted. grins.
>> I wasn't trying to insult your tractor but I guess it might have sounded
>> that way.
>> I just knew you liked Belarus and would be interested in the plant and the
>> possibility
>> of putting your hands on some parts that might be hard to find here.
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Cecil R Bearden
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:27 PM
>> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Texas
>>
>>
>> I don't know what parts I would need, the only thing that does not work
>> is the air conditioning that was installed in the US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Cecil in OKla
>>
>>
>> On 7/17/2012 12:27 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Dennis if Cecil Bearden had known you were going to the Belarus plant he
>>> would probably have wanted you to ship a few parts home...
>>> RIGHT Cecil? I bet that was an interesting trip. Don't they still
>>> pretty
>>> much build stuff with casting and tooling technology like we used here in
>>> the 50's?
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dennis Johnson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:58 PM
>>> To: AT at lists.antique-tractor.com
>>> Subject: [AT] Texas
>>>
>>> I tried to post a few days ago, but the post failed
>>>
>>> I live in Rosenberg (SW Houston) Texas, and have a few project tractors
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Spent last week in Minsk, home of the Belarus tractors, and traveling in
>>> Russia this week.
>>>
>>> Dennis Johnson
>>>
>>>
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