[AT] cold Farmall

Thu Jan 19 08:01:26 PST 2012

Thanks Gene,  I remember reading that early in the thread but got caught up 
in the conversation and forgot the issue.

Charlie

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gene Dotson
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:15 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] cold Farmall

Charlie;

    If you go back to Ron's original post, you will see the tractor was
converted to a magneto, so what you post is irrelevant to his problems. The
original reason for the magneto was to get a hot spark at low engine
cranking speed, which was a solution to his former starting problems. The
fact the tractor has worked well until now shows the conversion was
successful. This leads me to believe that a good, through servicing of the
magneto should correct his problems. No mention has been made of a slow
cranking speed, so do not think this is his problem.

    Point setting at .020 " and cleaning the interior of the magneto and
impulse mechanism should bring him back to where the tractor was able to
start a few years ago.

                Gene

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "charlie hill" <charliehill at embarqmail.com>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] cold Farmall

> Ron, assuming you are getting spark there is one more thing you can do for
> a
> quick fix.   Put in a 12 V battery or jump start it with a 12 V battery.
> As
> long as you don't turn on any 6 V lights it won't hurt a thing to start it
> on 12 V but it will sling the starter fast enough to give the engine a
> chance to fire.    If you run it on 12 V you'll need to use a 12V coil and
> a
> ballast resister to cut back on points wear.  or you can just go to a 12 V
> internally resisted coil.  I've got a couple of 6 V tractors that have
> been
> running on 12V for years.  Never hurt the starters at all.
>
> Charlie
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Mike M
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:46 AM
> To: at
> Subject: Re: [AT] cold Farmall
>
> Interesting point on the oil Charlie, might be worth it for Ron to look
> into. I have a Massey Ferguson 255 diesel that was always a bugger to
> start
> anytime it was south of 40 degrees. I had been running 15w40 weight oil in
> it year round. Last week I changed the oil to Rotella T6 Synthetic 5w40.
> It
> was a little more money, but I can run it year round, and with the use my
> tractor sees, will last me for at least 2 years. I also took the time to
> really shine up the battery cables and connections and replaced a tired
> looking ground strap. A couple days later, I had to try and get it started
> at 23 deg F, I was pressed for time, and did not have the heater plugged
> in.
> It started right up, I was pleasantly surprised.
>
> Mike M
> ----- Receiving the following content ----- 
> From: charlie hill
> Receiver: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Time: 2012-01-19, 06:05:48
> Subject: Re: [AT] cold Farmall
>
>
> Ron, 6 V systems will work but the cables and all connections have to be
> very good. Bigger cables always help as they flow more current more
> easily. It is hard to find 6 V cables these days. Everything you see in a
> typical auto parts store is light duty 12 V. The easiest thing might be to
> put a block heater or heat lamp on the engine to keep it nice and toasty
> warm. Have you changed the oil in it since last year? If so did you put
> heavier oil in by any chance?
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ron Cook
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 7:47 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] cold Farmall
>
> Well, reasonable or not, that old H needs to start so I can get my work
> done.:-)
>
> Cold weather starting was the original reason for removing the
> distributor and installing the magneto, I think. It is still 6-volt and
> cranking with the starter lowered the voltage enough that it wouldn't
> start, and hand cranking was out of the question. This old tractor has
> been lacking any basic maintenance for several years. However, I did
> start it all last winter when I needed to load grain and it was below
> zero part of the time. So, I figure if it used to work, it should still
> work. And it will. I am pretty sure everything is all gunked up with
> old dirty oil deposits.
>
> It was too nice here today , about 40 , so I didn't get anything done to
> the H. Now the wind is blowing out of the northwest and we are headed
> for zero again tonight with snow. From 2 below to 40 to zero in 24
> hours....must be Iowa.
>
> Ron Cook
> Salix, IA
>
> On 1/18/2012 6:15 PM, john hall wrote:
>> Cold weather here is in the 20's to upper teens. At that temp I expect a
>> little difficulty cranking some of the old stuff here. I've hand cranked
>> my
>> T-20 several times to go play in ice and snow and have even cranked my
>> 12-20
>> Case when there was snow out. But at temps close to zero, is it
>> reasonable
>> to expect this old stuff to crank reliably?
>>
>> John Hall
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Cook"<rlcook at longlines.com>
>> To: "Antique tractor email discussion
>> group"<at at lists.antique-tractor.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AT] cold Farmall
>>
>>
>>> John,
>>> That is my suspicions, too. It does have a starter, so cranking
>>> doesn't happen all that much. It is currently two below zero and there
>>> is no way it would have starting spark were I to venture out and try
>>> it. I just threw another log in the stove. I'm gonna stay right where
>>> I am.
>>>
>>> Ron Cook
>>> Salix, IA
>>>
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